WSU Versus Saint Louis Predictions and Pregame Discussions

[Kung Wu]

So one interesting thought is ... he would obviously qualify for a medical redshirt, letting him have another go next year with us and a little practice time with our current squad once he's able. That wouldn't be so bad!

Or did he already take a medical redshirt with his knee injury?

[Kung Wu]

Or did he already take a medical redshirt with his knee injury?

I don't know, what are you replying to ME for?

[Kung Wu]

I don't know, what are you replying to ME for?

Me either, but you brought it up.

[Dan]

And I don't think that anyone (except someone who knows Grady's personal information) could give us a correct answer. Using the word 'degree' in that context fits either situation, but I'm guessing he's already graduated and is working on a master's in ????? (fill in the question marks). Based on what I know, I would think a full-time student could get a master's degree in roughly a year. It might take a summer session full-time, but I believe it could be done.

It took me a year to get halfway to my MBA at Washout U. in one year. I worked full time. If I had continued on that track instead of moving to Texas, I would have been done in another year.

Guys, it has been stated numerous times on the telecast that Grady received his bachelor's degree from Cleveland State with a degree in film study and that he's working on a master's degree at WSU. You can only use the graduate transfer rule, and not sit out a semester, if you are transferring to a school that has a line of study not offered at your original school and you enroll in said program.

[CBB_Fan]

I know you've drank the kool-aid, but look at the facts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/wax/stats/

I don't necessarily agree with the coach on this one. Here, let me help you.....

Shaquille Morris
G Min FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3PT% FTM FTA FT% Off Def Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
5 12.4 1.4 3.0 46.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.4 1.6 87.5 1.2 0.6 1.8 0.2 0.6 0.4 0.6 1.8 4.2

Evan Wessel
6 23.3 1.3 4.0 33.3 1.0 3.5 28.6 0.0 0.2 0.0 1.2 1.3 2.5 1.2 0.3 0.5 0.0 1.5 3.7


Shaq is hitting 46.7% from the field, Evan is hitting 33.3. He's hitting 87.5% of his free throws. Wessel is 0. Shaq's scoring average is MORE than Wessels in roughly half the minutes. Wessel is getting .7 more rebounds in TWICE the minutes.

Why did we lose three games in Orlando? Crappy shooting. Evan's not helping us there. If Evan doesn't pick it up, we'll continue to lose until we get some firepower back. Again, I like his hustle and the fact that he's a glue guy, but right now we need offense.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result. The lineup needs a bit of a shakeup until we get Fred and Connor back. Evan isn't cutting it. Look at the stats. Our only players with worse shooting percentages are Bush Wamukota, JRS and Rauno.

And I'm not necessarily on the Shaq bandwagon.

PS: Please don't mention the intangibles he brings. If he were bringing those intangibles, why'd we go 0 for 0rlando?

You need to get this to Marshall! I'm sure he doesn't know that Evan can't score. Let's forget that in half the time Shaq had double the turnovers, or that he averages a foul per 7 minutes of play. Or that Wessel has six times the number of assists.

Don't get me wrong. I don't like having a 0 offense player as our best option, and I think Wessel will eventually get bench duty once we are healthy and the underclassmen improve. We DO need more points. But we also need to avoid making mistakes. Shaq makes mistakes at a far higher clip than Wessel, objectively, and that isn't even talking about his defensive lapses and just looking at TOs and fouls. He could probably score twice what Evan will, but that extra four points gets negated with 2 TOs, or letting his man go around him twice, or fouling 3-4 times. And this stage, all of those will happen if Shaq gets 20+ MPG.

[Dan]

Shaq and Evan don't even play the same position. This should be Shaq vs Wamukota or Evan vs McDuffie comparison.

[Shocker-maniac]

Me either, but you brought it up.

Guys, please settle down or take it to PM. Do we need to get the mods involved?

😀

[MadaboutWu]

Guys, please settle down or take it to PM. Do we need to get the mods involved?

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Or the meds!

[Kel Varnsen]

I know you've drank the kool-aid, but look at the facts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/wax/stats/

I don't necessarily agree with the coach on this one. Here, let me help you.....

Shaquille Morris
G Min FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3PT% FTM FTA FT% Off Def Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
5 12.4 1.4 3.0 46.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.4 1.6 87.5 1.2 0.6 1.8 0.2 0.6 0.4 0.6 1.8 4.2

Evan Wessel
6 23.3 1.3 4.0 33.3 1.0 3.5 28.6 0.0 0.2 0.0 1.2 1.3 2.5 1.2 0.3 0.5 0.0 1.5 3.7


Shaq is hitting 46.7% from the field, Evan is hitting 33.3. He's hitting 87.5% of his free throws. Wessel is 0. Shaq's scoring average is MORE than Wessels in roughly half the minutes. Wessel is getting .7 more rebounds in TWICE the minutes.

Why did we lose three games in Orlando? Crappy shooting. Evan's not helping us there. If Evan doesn't pick it up, we'll continue to lose until we get some firepower back. Again, I like his hustle and the fact that he's a glue guy, but right now we need offense.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result. The lineup needs a bit of a shakeup until we get Fred and Connor back. Evan isn't cutting it. Look at the stats. Our only players with worse shooting percentages are Bush Wamukota, JRS and Rauno.

And I'm not necessarily on the Shaq bandwagon.

PS: Please don't mention the intangibles he brings. If he were bringing those intangibles, why'd we go 0 for 0rlando?

Thank. You.

Don't get me wrong, I love Evan. Great kid. Wichita and WSU through and through. That is something to be applauded.

That said, he doesn't bring a whole lot in terms of benefits in high-level NCAA Division 1 basketball. On defense, he's too slow to guard a typical small forward and too small to guard a typical power forward. He can't get to the basket or create his own shot, and hasn't proven he can hit the 3 on a consistent basis.

Mark Adams says he's a "winner" and you bring up a great point. It's a nice coincidence that he has happened to play with Fred VanVleet, Ron Baker, and Cleanthony Early (in the undefeated season) during his career here at WSU. That doesn't make him a winner that brings some crazy intangibles, that makes him a player who happens to have been on some really good teams.

[shocka khan]

You need to get this to Marshall! I'm sure he doesn't know that Evan can't score. Let's forget that in half the time Shaq had double the turnovers, or that he averages a foul per 7 minutes of play. Or that Wessel has six times the number of assists.

Don't get me wrong. I don't like having a 0 offense player as our best option, and I think Wessel will eventually get bench duty once we are healthy and the underclassmen improve. We DO need more points. But we also need to avoid making mistakes. Shaq makes mistakes at a far higher clip than Wessel, objectively, and that isn't even talking about his defensive lapses and just looking at TOs and fouls. He could probably score twice what Evan will, but that extra four points gets negated with 2 TOs, or letting his man go around him twice, or fouling 3-4 times. And this stage, all of those will happen if Shaq gets 20+ MPG.

I'm guessing reading with comprehension isn't your strong suit and you didn't look at the link I posted to the team's statistics.

Wessel is averaging 1.5 fouls per game. Shaq 1.8. If Shaq played twice as much, he'd have slightly over 3.5. He'd also be averaging 9 points or so per game and 4 rebounds per game. Turnovers are about even Evan has .8, If Shaq was getting Evan's minutes he'd be at 1.2. You can't tell me who plays the better defense because you aren't quoting any defensive statistics (hint, I don't believe they are available at this time, if at all).

In other words, you have nothing except what you want to see (or make up). Here's a good made-up statistic that I've observed. No one sets better screens than Shaq does (on this team). How many points is that worth a game? When you can set a screen that absolutely flattens the opposing player, it's an open jump shot. I bet he'd be good for two or three of those per game.

Note that I'm perfectly open to your notion if you can provide us with some objective evidence, which you have not as of yet.

[Cdizzle]

Thank. You.

Don't get me wrong, I love Evan. Great kid. Wichita and WSU through and through. That is something to be applauded.

That said, he doesn't bring a whole lot in terms of benefits in high-level NCAA Division 1 basketball. On defense, he's too slow to guard a typical small forward and too small to guard a typical power forward. He can't get to the basket or create his own shot, and hasn't proven he can hit the 3 on a consistent basis.

Mark Adams says he's a "winner" and you bring up a great point. It's a nice coincidence that he has happened to play with Fred VanVleet, Ron Baker, and Cleanthony Early (in the undefeated season) during his career here at WSU. That doesn't make him a winner that brings some crazy intangibles, that makes him a player who happens to have been on some really good teams.

The correlation of winning and Evan Wessel goes so far it would take a fool to attribute it to 'coincidence'. That is not to say he is the answer to all problems. But ignoring the correlation is beyond silly.

[jdshock]

PS: Please don't mention the intangibles he brings. If he were bringing those intangibles, why'd we go 0 for 0rlando?

It's incredibly silly to assume that because we lost he brings no intangibles to the table. If Ron Baker were a great basketball player, why'd we lose every game in Orlando? If JR Simon is not a great basketball player, why had he never played in a single loss at Wichita State??

Sure there are legitimate concerns about whether or not he should be starting. It's just ridiculous to act like you have this argument that stops all counter-arguments surrounding intangibles. It's identical to me saying "Ron Baker shouldn't be our starting point guard because he isn't a good court leader. P.S. Don't even mention his production because if he were truly bringing production, why'd we lose every game in Orlando?"

[Cdizzle]

And since certain folks seem to like Evan-bashing so much.....another objective note:

Evan Wessel has a career shooting and career 3PT shooting % higher than one Conner Frankamp.

Evan Wessel is a better shooter than Conner Frankamp. The stats said so.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

And since certain folks seem to like Evan-bashing so much.....another objective note:

Evan Wessel has a career shooting and career 3PT shooting % higher than one Conner Frankamp.

Evan Wessel is a better shooter than Conner Frankamp. The stats said so.

I havent even read through this thread.

But after reading this I think Im going to take a break from Shockernet. This place has gone full retard.

[DwShock]

Or did he already take a medical redshirt with his knee injury?

A quick Google search says he got a medical redshirt for the 2012-13 season.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2015/02/cleveland_states_anton_grady_h.html