Coach's Show

[shockmonster]

Marshall said that Frankamp is playing point in practice and doing a good job.

[Dave Stalwart]

I forgot!

[1972Shocker]

Nurger and Barney plan on redshirting. No one else yet but 3G has talked with everyone about what kind of playing time they may see this year. He said if he doesn't hear anything back from the player he will assume they are available for him to play.

My guess is we will have one more redshirt.

[1972Shocker]

I forgot!

What! You're not the short WuShock are you?

[1979Shocker]

The Gregg Marshall Coach's Show replay is now available.

http://media.knssradio.com/a/110863083/gregg-marshall-coach-s-show-11-09-15.htm?q=gregg+marshall+coach's+show

[Aargh]

Okay, I was one of the people wondering if Frankamp could convert to PG. If he couldn't do that, he wasn't going to fit into Marshall's game very well.

I also like what I've seen from Taylor. I don't like 6'1" SG's and I loves me some super quick PG's who can stroke it.

I took a wait and see attitude about Frankamp. I wanted him to show something before I just assumed he would do better here than he did at KU. I said I'd support him like any other Shock if he showed he belonged, but he was going to have to show that.

If Marshall says Frankamp is doing well at PG in practice, that shows he belongs and fits. Marshall doesn't just say stuff for the benefit of the press. When Marshall talks, you don't have to try to read between the lines or try to figure out what he really meant.

So, next year Frankamp is looking like the #1 at PG. That leaves Smith and Taylor as #2 and #3. So, do you give Taylor a shirt and keep him off the court for a year, or do you try to get him some minutes in the bright lights with fans in the seats?

Do you pull Baker out of the #2 PG spot after 12/12? Marshall is going to earn that salary this year.

[tempshock]

Point Guard

You guys are all way underestimating Taylor. You're talking about one of the most prolific scorers in Kansas City history, and a guy who an article pointed out the other day averaged 20 at Hargrave going against some of the best players in the country. I saw him maybe a half dozen times in high school, and he didn't have much help around him. He was double teamed most games, and he would still end up with an easy 20 or 30, and double digit assists. His quickness is ridiculous. His 11 points Saturday wasn't a fluke, he's just one of those kids who scoring comes easy to. In another article last week his Hargrave coach (a guy whose put 15 or 20 guys in the NBA) said he could be the best defender in the country before he's through. Does anyone here think Frankamp can be an elite defender? There is a reason Marshall isn't talking about red shirting Taylor.

I've seen Frankamp probably 20 times. He is a serviceable point guard offensively, perhaps a little better than serviceable offensively. He's a natural scorer as well, but he can't break down a defense like Van Vleet or Taylor can. The bulk of his minutes will likely come at the two, with he and Baker on the wings. He didn't get the playing time he wanted at KU for one reason, and that's because he's a below average defender. Marshall won't tolerate that any more than Self did. He likely plays as much or more minutes than Taylor, but not as much as Taylor at the one. Van Vleet won't be resting much. Besides, they, along with Shemet, are the future WSU backcourt, so they may as well be playing the positions they'll likely be starting at next year.

[tgcshock]

I've seen Frankamp probably 20 times. . . .He didn't get the playing time he wanted at KU for one reason, and that's because he's a below average defender. Marshall won't tolerate that any more than Self did.

I've seen Self tolerate quite a bit of defensive ineptitude (and lack of effort) on the court.

[pie n eye]

You guys are all way underestimating Taylor. You're talking about one of the most prolific scorers in Kansas City history, and a guy who an article pointed out the other day averaged 20 at Hargrave going against some of the best players in the country. I saw him maybe a half dozen times in high school, and he didn't have much help around him. He was double teamed most games, and he would still end up with an easy 20 or 30, and double digit assists. His quickness is ridiculous. His 11 points Saturday wasn't a fluke, he's just one of those kids who scoring comes easy to. In another article last week his Hargrave coach (a guy whose put 15 or 20 guys in the NBA) said he could be the best defender in the country before he's through. Does anyone here think Frankamp can be an elite defender? There is a reason Marshall isn't talking about red shirting Taylor.

I've seen Frankamp probably 20 times. He is a serviceable point guard offensively, perhaps a little better than serviceable offensively. He's a natural scorer as well, but he can't break down a defense like Van Vleet or Taylor can. The bulk of his minutes will likely come at the two, with he and Baker on the wings. He didn't get the playing time he wanted at KU for one reason, and that's because he's a below average defender. Marshall won't tolerate that any more than Self did. He likely plays as much or more minutes than Taylor, but not as much as Taylor at the one. Van Vleet won't be resting much. Besides, they, along with Shemet, are the future WSU backcourt, so they may as well be playing the positions they'll likely be starting at next year.

What's funny is that if I change KC to Wichita and take out the names that first paragraph sounds an awful lot like a description of Frankamp.

Regardless of what happens I'm confident PG play will remain a strength of WSU basketball even after Fred leaves.

[shockmonster]

L

You guys are all way underestimating Taylor. You're talking about one of the most prolific scorers in Kansas City history, and a guy who an article pointed out the other day averaged 20 at Hargrave going against some of the best players in the country. I saw him maybe a half dozen times in high school, and he didn't have much help around him. He was double teamed most games, and he would still end up with an easy 20 or 30, and double digit assists. His quickness is ridiculous. His 11 points Saturday wasn't a fluke, he's just one of those kids who scoring comes easy to. In another article last week his Hargrave coach (a guy whose put 15 or 20 guys in the NBA) said he could be the best defender in the country before he's through. Does anyone here think Frankamp can be an elite defender? There is a reason Marshall isn't talking about red shirting Taylor.

I've seen Frankamp probably 20 times. He is a serviceable point guard offensively, perhaps a little better than serviceable offensively. He's a natural scorer as well, but he can't break down a defense like Van Vleet or Taylor can. The bulk of his minutes will likely come at the two, with he and Baker on the wings. He didn't get the playing time he wanted at KU for one reason, and that's because he's a below average defender. Marshall won't tolerate that any more than Self did. He likely plays as much or more minutes than Taylor, but not as much as Taylor at the one. Van Vleet won't be resting much. Besides, they, along with Shemet, are the future WSU backcourt, so they may as well be playing the positions they'll likely be starting at next year.

You give your own opinion a lot but your opinion isn't anymore important than anyone else here on Shockernet. with only 3 posts you sound more like an anti-Frankamp hack than someone who believes in Taylor. What you need to do is listen to Coach Marshall's words on his show. I will paraphrase some of what he said.
- Frankamp looked really good at point guard in practice today (coach has said earlier in other settings that CF would be in the rotation when is eligible). He can play both 2 and PG.
-coach listed6-7or so players who had redshirted and had extra years on other players. Among the shirts were Ron, Shaq, and Conner. He described these players as men.
-Taylor at this time is more of a 2 guard. He needs to develop into more of a point guard with more Fred in him.
You need to liste to The Coaches Show and what he says.

[Shocker85]

What's funny is that if I change KC to Wichita and take out the names that first paragraph sounds an awful lot like a description of Frankamp.

Regardless of what happens I'm confident PG play will remain a strength of WSU basketball even after Fred leaves.

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking.

The incoming class was loaded, Marshall knew it, yet he was willing to make room for Conner. Frankamp will play and he will score.

[jocoshock]

L

You give your own opinion a lot but your opinion isn't anymore important than anyone else here on Shockernet. with only 3 posts you sound more like an anti-Frankamp hack than someone who believes in Taylor. What you need to do is listen to Coach Marshall's words on his show. I will paraphrase some of what he said.
- Frankamp looked really good at point guard in practice today (coach has said earlier in other settings that CF would be in the rotation when is eligible). He can play both 2 and PG.
-coach listed6-7or so players who had redshirted and had extra years on other players. Among the shirts were Ron, Shaq, and Conner. He described these players as men.
-Taylor at this time is more of a 2 guard. He needs to develop into more of a point guard with more Fred in him.
You need to liste to The Coaches Show and what he says.

Taylor is in Marshalls words, a score first pg. He played pg at Hargrave and considers himself a pg first. Marshall said he needs to develop the skills that Fred has in breaking down defenses. Taylor should not take a RS. Whatever limited time he gets this year under Fred's tutelage are worth far more than minutes next year as a RS freshman without Fred.

[moshock]

Using a redshirt year is not like being put in the penalty box

[tempshock]

L

You give your own opinion a lot but your opinion isn't anymore important than anyone else here on Shockernet. with only 3 posts you sound more like an anti-Frankamp hack than someone who believes in Taylor. What you need to do is listen to Coach Marshall's words on his show. I will paraphrase some of what he said.
- Frankamp looked really good at point guard in practice today (coach has said earlier in other settings that CF would be in the rotation when is eligible). He can play both 2 and PG.
-coach listed6-7or so players who had redshirted and had extra years on other players. Among the shirts were Ron, Shaq, and Conner. He described these players as men.
-Taylor at this time is more of a 2 guard. He needs to develop into more of a point guard with more Fred in him.
You need to liste to The Coaches Show and what he says.

I'm not anti-Frankamp. I like Frankamp. On the rare occassions when he played point at KU he did a nice job of involving the other 4 guys, and to me a PG's most important job is making the other 4 players around him better. KU's starting point guard at the time did not do a good job of that. Self is a guy who like a defender "in the other guy's shorts". He likes to crowd the ball, and he doesn't like guys allowing space. I think Conner could have been more effective had he been allowed to step back off the ball, but that was not Bill Self's way.

What Conner does lack is Taylor's quickness, and that's an important asset for a PG in today's college game. It's all about getting in the lane and breaking down the defense.

[shockmonster]

What Conner does lack is Taylor's quickness, and that's an important asset for a PG in today's college game. It's all about getting in the lane and breaking down the defense.

Taylor is very quick. It is one of his strongest attributes. Most point guards don't possess his quickness including Fred. However, Fred and Conner are more athletic than given credit for.