Coach's Show

[Shocktoberfest]

I'm not sure BWam is guaranteed to be in the 10. I'd almost rather have Morris and Grady hold down the 5 to make room for McDuffie.

My thoughts exactly. BWam is not a lock. Not if, say, Hamilton really picks up they system and shows signs he can play D and clean the glass. That dude is light years ahead of Bush on offense and a much better athlete. If you don't burn a red shirt on Hamilton he gets on the court.

[choida]

Tom Bush might as well get comfy at the end of the bench...hes a situational player, defend the rim and help rebound...but he has too much Orupke in his game and not talking about the good parts...we have good guards who can mask his flaws, otherwise he could be a real liability on the court

[Dan]

It's not like it would be the same 10 man rotation for every game. A lot depends on matchups and foul problems. We really need 3 guys at each position, but will mostly play 2 of those guys the majority of the minutes.
I doubt Evan gets a lot of time at the 4 this year. My guess is he plays the 3 with Brown almost exclusively. McDuffie will get minutes here and there.
As for the post, I'd guess it's Shaq and Grady with BWam on an "as-needed" basis (mainly foul issues). Shaq will be limited by his fouls and effort on any given night.
At the 4 it will be Kelly first, Grady sliding over to play alongside Shaq and Hamilton when it's convenient to put him in.
2 will be Ron and Shamet, Conner on occasion.
Point will be Fred. It will be interesting to see if Ron backs up here this year, he's not really needed as much since we have Taylor (questionable) and later Conner.

As much as i love the ceilings of McDuffie and Hamilton, these guys may have a hard time finding the court early on. If you recall, Brown was in the same boat last year and look how he worked his way into the lineup when it counted the most. A lot can happen between now and March. We were really lucky last year with team health, you never know when you're number will be called.

[shockmonster]

I'm not sure BWam is guaranteed to be in the 10. I'd almost rather have Morris and Grady hold down the 5 to make room for McDuffie.

I tend to agree. Bush W will be needed some for larger Centers and foul trouble. But the other 4 positions have flexibility and talent.

[shockmonster]

I did. My interpretation stands. HCGM referred to TT's mental approach as a scoring guard first as opposed to Fred's approach to the position. If you are going to play pg at WSU, it is going to be Fred Style, pass first. That is what he needs to do. That is what coach wants.

It is well documented in articles in TT's recruiting thread that he made the transition to pg before going to Hargrave. Obviously, HCGM considers that transition to be incomplete and a work in progress by WSU standards. All the more reason to get PT this year while Fred is here (in my opinion).

Our interpretations agree. I think that Marshall makes them earn playing time in practice where he hopefully learns from Fred. I don't see Taylor getting meaningful minute in games after CF is eligible.

[Kel Varnsen]

Out of curiosity (and maybe this has already been answered, so if so, I apologize), is there a "deadline" for electing to redshirt? As in: does a school have to declare a player "redshirted" by a certain date or else they are not eligible to redshirt?

I couldn't find much help on the NCAA website, so I figured someone here might know.

[asiseeit]

Lets do the math. There are a total of 200 minutes available each game. FVV and RB are
going to get at least 30 each. I think ZB, RK, and EW will be in the 20 minute range. CF,
LS will get 30 between them. Pencil in 15 each for SM and AG. Personally, I think MM
will get 10 at the very least with potential for twice that but at only 10 that only leaves
ten more minutes to divide between the rest. I would bet that JRS and BW will get at
least five of those together. Are the remaining five minutes to fight for enough to warrant
not red shirting? I will say this. If any of the remaining guys gets even close to ten
minutes a game they will have bright careers here.

[Cdizzle]

Out of curiosity (and maybe this has already been answered, so if so, I apologize), is there a "deadline" for electing to redshirt? As in: does a school have to declare a player "redshirted" by a certain date or else they are not eligible to redshirt?

I couldn't find much help on the NCAA website, so I figured someone here might know.

No. So long as they are held out of competition, they are eligible to redshirt. But if they have not told coach they want the redshirt, he holds the prerogative to put them in a game, thus burning a year of their eligibility.

[Steeleshocker]

Lets do the math. There are a total of 200 minutes available each game. FVV and RB are
going to get at least 30 each. I think ZB, RK, and EW will be in the 20 minute range. CF,
LS will get 30 between them. Pencil in 15 each for SM and AG. Personally, I think MM
will get 10 at the very least with potential for twice that but at only 10 that only leaves
ten more minutes to divide between the rest. I would bet that JRS and BW will get at
least five of those together. Are the remaining five minutes to fight for enough to warrant
not red shirting? I will say this. If any of the remaining guys gets even close to ten
minutes a game they will have bright careers here.

If the players behind them are capable, i would love to see FVV & RB closer to 20 than 30. Their minutes should be the minimum needed to win the game comfortably.

[insaneykaney]

My favorite part of the show was this:

"I didn't build this program. I refurbished this program."

That's class right there folks!

[Stickboy46]

Out of curiosity (and maybe this has already been answered, so if so, I apologize), is there a "deadline" for electing to redshirt? As in: does a school have to declare a player "redshirted" by a certain date or else they are not eligible to redshirt?

I couldn't find much help on the NCAA website, so I figured someone here might know.

No, per Marshall he reserves the right to Redshirt by Coaches Decision DNP. As long as player doesn't log any minutes, they can redshirt. Exception being.. Freshmen are allowed to play in exhibition, second year and beyond players can not and still redshirt.

[Kel Varnsen]

No. So long as they are held out of competition, they are eligible to redshirt. But if they have not told coach they want the redshirt, he holds the prerogative to put them in a game, thus burning a year of their eligibility.

Ah, I see. Thanks.

[Stickboy46]

If the players behind them are capable, i would love to see FVV & RB closer to 20 than 30. Their minutes should be the minimum needed to win the game comfortably.

This... In tough games, yes they will be 30 plus, but it a majority of the games, I'd prefer them to only play 20 each, and let the youth learn in game time. It's a win win for us. I think if FVV, Baker and Wessel are averaging 30 plus, we aren't having the year that we are hoping.

[WSUwatcher]

Out of curiosity (and maybe this has already been answered, so if so, I apologize), is there a "deadline" for electing to redshirt? As in: does a school have to declare a player "redshirted" by a certain date or else they are not eligible to redshirt?

I couldn't find much help on the NCAA website, so I figured someone here might know.

No deadline, no declaration required. If you don't ever play, you've redshirted.

The reason a redshirt is usually announced is because having a guy on the roster and in uniform, and especially someone with reputed or obvious talent (e.g., Baker, Couisnard) but never playing tends to raise questions, and saying that he's redshirting eliminates the questions.

[wufan]

Coach said on the show last night that his rotation will probably be 9-10 guys. He said 8 is cutting it thin and it's really hard to get to the 11th guy. So let's say there are 10 spots open in the rotation. Let's take out the guys who are locks to be 1 of the 10. In quotations is the positions they can play:
Vanvleet (1)
Baker (1-3)
Wessel (2-4)
Grady (4-5)
Morris (4-5)
Frankamp (1-2)
Brown (2-4)
Kelly (4)
Wamakota (5)

Thats 9 guys right there that are pretty set as far as the rotation goes. That leaves 1 spot in the rotation for McDuffie, Shamet, Hamilton and Taylor to fight it out for.

Of the 9 guys who are locks here is how many can play each position:
1 (3)
2 (4)
3 (3)
4 (5)
5 (3)

Pretty even. Since there are already 5 guys who can play the 4 I'd say Hamilton will have a hard time cracking the rotation.

My guess for the 10th man in the rotation is Shamet. Coach seems to be extremely high on him and his opinion is the only one that matters.

This is a good way to look at it! On another thread I listed my 10 most important, which is similar.

1. Fred
2. Ron
3. Anton
4. Evan
5. Rashard
6. Shaq
7. Zach

It gets a little trickier here.

8. Landry
9. Conner

Some might disagree with Conner and put someone else there, but based on HCGM, he will be in the rotation and has been playing point, so he's on my list. After 10 games, when Conner becomes eligible, there is really only room for one more, of which I like Markis. It could just as easily be Ty, Bush, or Eric, but bottom line is that 1 of those four isnt all that is LIKELY to play much. After that, it's a matter of what coach and that player decide to do.