General Discussion: Thoughts on Cheick Diallo vs Anton Grady?

[Kel Varnsen]

Re: Comparing the two again. This is my first thread so my apologies if this topic has been exhausted.

Re: Eligibility. I'll say it again. Other schools knew months in advance there were issues with Cliff Alexander. Besides Kansas. And again with Diallo. But KU fans keep convincing themselves their coach isn't 1 of 2 things. 1. Either dumb or 2. Take commitments to hype a class.

Re: Coachability. When I look at a recruit, I look at so much more than talent and athleticism. How does he act when he comes out of the game? Does he walk to the bench or run? Does he mope or high five his teammates? Does he dive on the floor for loose balls? How is his body language when being coached? Is he an eye roller? Is he a shoulder shrugger? These things tell me whether or not he has the character and coachability to play college basketball.



Dumb.

Still don't get it...you're not relating this "coachability" thing to Diallo one bit. Do you know him personally? Have you watched him play extensively besides highlight clips or a HS All-Star game?

I'd venture to say that Bill Self is a pretty intelligent guy (a lot more than most on this board would give him credit for). He's not gonna waste a scholarship. No high-level D1 coach would. If the recruit doesn't qualify, the hype for the class goes away or is drastically reduced. A college coach who does this will not have a job for very long.

Making fun of KU is all well and good. It's fun. Especially after we beat them. But insisting that Self doesn't recruit "coachable" guys or "humble" guys (neither of which any of you could define since you don't know much about them besides what you see on TV for fleeting moments during five months of the year) is just flat out ignorant.

[Kel Varnsen]

In the exhibit below...please see example of one player who possesses coachability and humility while the other player does not.

While I will say that this one play just about sums up that game, this is nonsense coachspeak. Brown had a running start and is already faster and stronger than Oubre.

I would say that we were the aggressor in that game and absolutely took it to them. It was great.

[Kel Varnsen]

I will NEVER grow tired of watching that clip.

Now this I agree with. Me neither. Twas beautiful.

[Remember'70]

If there's a 19 second video that deserves its own thread, it's that one.

[ShockdaWorld]

Dumb.

Funny thing....I wasn't talking about you.

[The Mad Hatter]

I'd venture to say that Bill Self is a pretty intelligent guy (a lot more than most on this board would give him credit for). He's not gonna waste a scholarship. No high-level D1 coach would. If the recruit doesn't qualify, the hype for the class goes away or is drastically reduced. A college coach who does this will not have a job for very long.

In recent years Self has had Cliff Alexander ineligible for part of the year and had Ben McLemore and Jamari Traylor both ruled ineligible for an entire season. That's just from within the past 4 years (and I don't know if that is a complete list).

In addition, Self's national championship team featured Darrell Arthur who was found to have only gotten through the NCAA clearing house because of a fraudulent transcript (yet in spite of his high school having to vacate their wins and the Memphis team they faced having to vacate their wins for a similar offense, KU is given no punishment), and in 2010 Josh Selby had to sit out 9 games for impermissible benefits (and that could easily have been a full year ineligibility case, yet Self signed him anyway).

There may be more, but suffice to say, Self has a pretty long track record of bringing in guys that either are ruled ineligible or easily could be ruled ineligible.

[ShockerFever]

More KU defense...shocking.

This tool knows more about KU than WSU.

I'm starting to get offended everytime he uses "we" when describing WSU.

[Bentley]

Funny thing....I wasn't talking about you.

All is good.

[im4wsu]

While I will say that this one play just about sums up that game, this is nonsense coachspeak. Brown had a running start and is already faster and stronger than Oubre.

I would say that we were the aggressor in that game and absolutely took it to them. It was great.

It would have been great to actually "sleepy" try to react to the play, but, alas, it was not to be found anywhere deep within his persona.

[Bentley]

In recent years Self has had Cliff Alexander ineligible for part of the year and had Ben McLemore and Jamari Traylor both ruled ineligible for an entire season. That's just from within the past 4 years (and I don't know if that is a complete list).

In addition, Self's national championship team featured Darrell Arthur who was found to have only gotten through the NCAA clearing house because of a fraudulent transcript (yet in spite of his high school having to vacate their wins and the Memphis team they faced having to vacate their wins for a similar offense, KU is given no punishment), and in 2010 Josh Selby had to sit out 9 games for impermissible benefits (and that could easily have been a full year ineligibility case, yet Self signed him anyway).

There may be more, but suffice to say, Self has a pretty long track record of bringing in guys that either are ruled ineligible or easily could be ruled ineligible.

Winner.

[wu_shizzle]

In recent years Self has had Cliff Alexander ineligible for part of the year and had Ben McLemore and Jamari Traylor both ruled ineligible for an entire season. That's just from within the past 4 years (and I don't know if that is a complete list).

In addition, Self's national championship team featured Darrell Arthur who was found to have only gotten through the NCAA clearing house because of a fraudulent transcript (yet in spite of his high school having to vacate their wins and the Memphis team they faced having to vacate their wins for a similar offense, KU is given no punishment), and in 2010 Josh Selby had to sit out 9 games for impermissible benefits (and that could easily have been a full year ineligibility case, yet Self signed him anyway).

There may be more, but suffice to say, Self has a pretty long track record of bringing in guys that either are ruled ineligible or easily could be ruled ineligible.

Can we sticky this?

[AZ Shocker]

It would have been great to actually "sleepy" try to react to the play, but, alas, it was not to be found anywhere deep within his persona.

Equally worse (or even worse) is #14 on that sad team. Horrible reaction to what was happening. He could (should) of had something to say about Zach getting to the rim and throwing it down on his team but rather chose to stand and watch #1 draft pick boy "try" to take care of it. Who wants it more? Obviously not the pre-madonna's. Do that on a Gregg Marshall team and you best be looking to transfer to another school as you will NOT be seeing the court wearing a Shocker uniform.

[WSUwatcher]

I think where you may have mystified some of us, Bentley, was by talking about humility in the context of Diallo vs. Grady without telling us you believe Diallo may lack humility or explaining why, if that's what you believe. You also weren't specific about Grady, assuming you believe him to be humble and coachable, or about any contrast between the two and any reason you may believe that to be the case.

You just referred to two players and then talked in general terms about good qualities vs. bad without applying them to the players. We can assume implications, but we don't know. It's a head shaker.

[ShockerFever]

In recent years Self has had Cliff Alexander ineligible for part of the year and had Ben McLemore and Jamari Traylor both ruled ineligible for an entire season. That's just from within the past 4 years (and I don't know if that is a complete list).

In addition, Self's national championship team featured Darrell Arthur who was found to have only gotten through the NCAA clearing house because of a fraudulent transcript (yet in spite of his high school having to vacate their wins and the Memphis team they faced having to vacate their wins for a similar offense, KU is given no punishment), and in 2010 Josh Selby had to sit out 9 games for impermissible benefits (and that could easily have been a full year ineligibility case, yet Self signed him anyway).

There may be more, but suffice to say, Self has a pretty long track record of bringing in guys that either are ruled ineligible or easily could be ruled ineligible.

No Kel rebuttal?

Yep, definitely a winner.

[Aargh]

I don't understand the attempt to compare the Diallo situation to the Grady situation. It seems difficult to find two more disparate examples of basketball commitments. I had to Google (TM) Diallo to find out who he was.

Why does a KU recruit who may not get past the NCAA clearinghouse get brought up in this Forum?

If I want to read about KU, I'll log in to phog.net. Attempting to compare a potential non-qualifier to a graduated 5th-year player appears to be just a way to bring KU into a discussion on the weakest possible premise.

I know we've got scoreboard on KU, but we don't need to make threads just for the purpose of discussing KU BB. We certainly don't need to trash KU on our board. Our team did that to them on the court. There's nothing more that needs to be said about KU.