March Madness: FFRF challenges Wichita State’s basketball chaplain

[Kung Wu]

Ok, that's hilarious!

[wu_shizzle]

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college...#storylink=cpy

This man is a menace and must be stopped...

/SARCASM

[kochHead]

Uh, I think the First Amendment is the one guaranteeing free speech. The Second Amendment is the right to bear arms.

I think speech should be free, or at most cost you 2 cents. Also, I am not opposed to bear arms, I just don't think they are right for me.

[shockmonster]

So Shockmonster, if you follow Jesus's teachings, are you supposed to act like him and convert people by convincing them in a positive manner the benefits of religion or do you form biased, subjective opinions to insult those who do not agree with you?

My point is that if you truly are a Christian, then you need to demonstrate it in the way you interact with others. Some people get that and some don't. Just like some muslims believe the Koran and some (like the muslim extremists) don't.

Even John Brown, the famous abolitionist preacher, thought it was OK for him to kill those who disagreed with him because 'God was on his side'. Was John Brown a Christian or was he using Christianity as a means to an end to suit his political beliefs?

I'd rather not get into the Muslim faith. I respect them to make their own decisions but I believe that there is only one way to the Kingdom of God.
What is in a persons heart is only known by them and God. I do believe that sinners enter the Kingdom too and that some people who expect for Christians to be perfect are only looking for excuses for their own problems. Each person is responsible for themselves. While a Christian may not be good at convincing others, doesn't mean they aren't a Christian. That isn't for you or I to decide.

[shocka khan]

Not to muddy the waters, but what about the Hindus? With the new development being done at WSU, you're going to have a bunch of Hindu's in your neighborhood.

I bet many of the people on Shockernet would be surprised at some of their laws. Did you know in the state where Bangalore is located that is the equivalent of a felony to eat beef?

That's correct, you can go to prison for eating beef. And not just for a few days, we're talking about 5 to 15 years, IIRC.

[shocka khan]

We have raccoons in our urban neighborhood. I was riding my bicycle to work one day and came too close to a mama and her babies. I was so surprised when she started barking at me. Pretty funny, too. Definitely a weird bark.

[DUShock]

Too many dumpster cheeseburgers.

[OregonShocker]

Not to muddy the waters, but what about the Hindus? With the new development being done at WSU, you're going to have a bunch of Hindu's in your neighborhood.

I bet many of the people on Shockernet would be surprised at some of their laws. Did you know in the state where Bangalore is located that is the equivalent of a felony to eat beef?

That's correct, you can go to prison for eating beef. And not just for a few days, we're talking about 5 to 15 years, IIRC.

Who cares? One of my daughters is a vegetarian; most don't even know unless they go out to eat with her. As a people, we have much bigger problems; we don't need to start looking for more. And that's it; I'm done with this thread. Seems to be sliding a direction I don't want to go...

[shocka khan]

It is really too bad this 'character coach', or 'chaplain', or whatever, isn't a Muslim cleric instead. If he were, he'd be on the front page of the NYT as a shining example of moderate Islam, and probably would pick up a Nobel Peace Prize nomination along the way somewhere during all the media fellatio.

Unfortunately, he is joe blow the random evangelical, so instead we get this from the loonies:

And that just about sums up my problems with evangelicals. You always think you're being picked on. Yet you're always trying to force your views off on people.

Don't you think that part of why evangelicals as a group are criticized is that they are trying to force their ideas on the rest of us?

For instance, drinking. I know you don't drink, and I know how you feel about it. Why do you care whether I do or not? And why should you be critical of me if I do? It's a personal choice.

And abortion. I disagree with abortion, but I'm not walking in a woman's shoes. I don't know circumstances and I'm not going to judge (I learned that bible verse about not judging unless you want to be judged yourself). But I do not think it is my place to judge someone or condemn someone for doing it. It is someone else's job. Perhaps a higher power.

Again, I think we should all judge a little less and be a little more tolerant, but hey, what do I know?

[Anthroshock]

For those who'd like to learn more.

https://ffrf.org/

[shocka khan]

For those who'd like to learn more.

https://ffrf.org/

I don't think they're free thought. I actually think there another fringe group trying to enforce their narrow-minded views on the rest of us. I agree with about 1/3 of what they do. 1/3 I actually am full-bore in disagreement with. The other third is marked 'I don't care'.

Sort of like Greenpeace and PETA. All in all, they probably do more damage than good.

[Shocker-maniac]

You guys are so funny. Spending all this time arguing which forum this thread belongs in.

[SB Shock]

Holy cow!

[SHOCKvalue]

And that just about sums up my problems with evangelicals. You always think you're being picked on. Yet you're always trying to force your views off on people.

Don't you think that part of why evangelicals as a group are criticized is that they are trying to force their ideas on the rest of us?

For instance, drinking. I know you don't drink, and I know how you feel about it. Why do you care whether I do or not? And why should you be critical of me if I do? It's a personal choice.

And abortion. I disagree with abortion, but I'm not walking in a woman's shoes. I don't know circumstances and I'm not going to judge (I learned that bible verse about not judging unless you want to be judged yourself). But I do not think it is my place to judge someone or condemn someone for doing it. It is someone else's job. Perhaps a higher power.

Again, I think we should all judge a little less and be a little more tolerant, but hey, what do I know?

Hey, did you know you project a lot, and assume posters have certain ideologies that they've in fact never mentioned on this board?

When you go off on your verbose tangents, they're kind of humorous due to their lack of accuracy. You remember that game you played in class as a kid where you all got in a circle, and whispered a secret around the room until it came back out at the last person sounding like a Nigerian wire transfer scheme, when it started off about mary having a little lamb? Yeah... you're kind of like that last person in the circle, every time.

[shocka khan]

Hey, did you know you project a lot, and assume posters have certain ideologies that they've in fact never mentioned on this board?

When you go off on your verbose tangents, they're kind of humorous due to their lack of accuracy. You remember that game you played in class as a kid where you all got in a circle, and whispered a secret around the room until it came back out at the last person sounding like a Nigerian wire transfer scheme, when it started off about mary having a little lamb? Yeah... you're kind of like that last person in the circle, every time.

I remember a certain day, not too long ago, when one of the mods threatened to give you a time out over your vitriol respects to drinking and driving. I think you're a clown and a poor one at that.