World, meet Zach Brown

[wufan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3iDhx8h4MI

Look at that hustle getting down the floor.

He's going to be a good one.

[ShockTalk]

Brown, Wessel, and McDuffie are all likely to compete for time at both the three and the four.

Likely? Probably.

Hopefully? No.

I don't remember the quote exactly, but HCGM said something like he doesn't want benchwarmers, but players challenging for playing time. You have 80 minutes between the 4/5 positions and Morris, Kelly, BushW, Nurger, Glass, and Hamilton as your true players for those positions. That's a little over 13 minutes a piece. If Morris and Kelly take only 35 of those minutes, that's about 11 minutes left for the other 4 per player. If Brown, Wessel, and McDuffie take only 15 of those minutes, that leaves 30 and 7.5 minutes for the remaining four. If you think those three will play a lot more than 15 minutes, that leaves even fewer minutes and two of those four bigs will be seniors.

I'm hoping Morris and Kelly will play closer to 40 total minutes and at least two of the other four will step up for a combined minimum of 20 minutes, plus another 5-10 for the other two (or some sort of combination totaling 25-30 minutes). That should leave only about 10-20 max for Brown, Wessel, and McDuffie. If not, some or most of those 4 bigs are benchwarmers. Hamilton, being a freshman gets a pass, but if Kelly can play 15 mpg, Hamilton could as well.

[jocoshock]

Why didn't he really play the 4 this year then? Theoretically we should be deeper at the 4 next season

Brown has played some at the 4.

[jocoshock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3iDhx8h4MI

Look at that hustle getting down the floor.

Did you notice how gassed Ron was at that timeout? He said in a postgame interview he was wied out and cramping,.

[wufan]

Likely? Probably.

Hopefully? No.

I don't remember the quote exactly, but HCGM said something like he doesn't want benchwarmers, but players challenging for playing time. You have 80 minutes between the 4/5 positions and Morris, Kelly, BushW, Nurger, Glass, and Hamilton as your true players for those positions. That's a little over 13 minutes a piece. If Morris and Kelly take only 35 of those minutes, that's about 11 minutes left for the other 4 per player. If Brown, Wessel, and McDuffie take only 15 of those minutes, that leaves 30 and 7.5 minutes for the remaining four. If you think those three will play a lot more than 15 minutes, that leaves even fewer minutes and two of those four bigs will be seniors.

I'm hoping Morris and Kelly will play closer to 40 total minutes and at least two of the other four will step up for a combined minimum of 20 minutes, plus another 5-10 for the other two (or some sort of combination totaling 25-30 minutes). That should leave only about 10-20 max for Brown, Wessel, and McDuffie. If not, some or most of those 4 bigs are benchwarmers. Hamilton, being a freshman gets a pass, but if Kelly can play 15 mpg, Hamilton could as well.

I don't think all of Morris, Kelly, Nurger, Glass, and BWam will be back next year.

I expect Morris to take 20 minutes at the 5 and BWam or an as of yet unknown player to take 12-15 minutes. I think Hamilton or Kelly will be the third string center (getting 5-8 mpg) and for those two to combine for another 20-25 mpg at the four. That means there could be in the neighborhood of 15-20 minutes available for one of or some combination of Wessel/Brown/McDuffie at the 4 and up to 40 minutes at the 3.

[1979Shocker]

I'd like to see Brown play both the 2 and 3.

[1979Shocker]

I don't think all of Morris, Kelly, Nurger, Glass, and BWam will be back next year.

I expect Morris to take 20 minutes at the 5 and BWam or an as of yet unknown player to take 12-15 minutes. I think Hamilton or Kelly will be the third string center (getting 5-8 mpg) and for those two to combine for another 20-25 mpg at the four. That means there could be in the neighborhood of 15-20 minutes available for one of or some combination of Wessel/Brown/McDuffie at the 4 and up to 40 minutes at the 3.

Tevin Glass has kind of disappeared in the post season.

[ShockTalk]

Likely? Probably.

Hopefully? No.

I don't remember the quote exactly, but HCGM said something like he doesn't want benchwarmers, but players challenging for playing time. You have 80 minutes between the 4/5 positions and Morris, Kelly, BushW, Nurger, Glass, and Hamilton as your true players for those positions. That's a little over 13 minutes a piece. If Morris and Kelly take only 35 of those minutes, that's about 11 minutes left for the other 4 per player. If Brown, Wessel, and McDuffie take only 15 of those minutes, that leaves 30 and 7.5 minutes for the remaining four. If you think those three will play a lot more than 15 minutes, that leaves even fewer minutes and two of those four bigs will be seniors.

I'm hoping Morris and Kelly will play closer to 40 total minutes and at least two of the other four will step up for a combined minimum of 20 minutes, plus another 5-10 for the other two (or some sort of combination totaling 25-30 minutes). That should leave only about 10-20 max for Brown, Wessel, and McDuffie. If not, some or most of those 4 bigs are benchwarmers. Hamilton, being a freshman gets a pass, but if Kelly can play 15 mpg, Hamilton could as well.

I don't think all of Morris, Kelly, Nurger, Glass, and BWam will be back next year.

I expect Morris to take 20 minutes at the 5 and BWam or an as of yet unknown player to take 12-15 minutes. I think Hamilton or Kelly will be the third string center (getting 5-8 mpg) and for those two to combine for another 20-25 mpg at the four. That means there could be in the neighborhood of 15-20 minutes available for one of or some combination of Wessel/Brown/McDuffie at the 4 and up to 40 minutes at the 3.

So, we are saying the same amount of time for Brown, Wessel, and/or McDuffie at the 4, just different scenarios.

However, there is one other difference. I was coming to that conclusion using our current (+Hamilton) bigs. At the 5 - Morris 20 mpg, BWam 15, Nurger 5 and the 4 - Kelly 15, Hamilton 6, Glass 4,and the others 15 mpg for example.

The problem in your example is moving out 1 or 2 bigs which I assume will be replaced by other bigs. We are short quality bigs as it is, particularly if Morris continues to get into foul trouble and already have a glut of 1-3s for next year (FVV, Baker, Wessel, Brown, Frankamp, Shamet, Taylor, Henderson, and Holland with McDuffie being a 3, potentially a 4 and a freshman). If the new bigs are not going to get more than 4-6 minutes, there's little reason to do any replacement, and, thus, we may need every big body we currently have. If we get 1 or 2 replacements that will do more than play 4-6 minutes, there will be even less time than 15-20 minutes available at the 4 for the "trio".

Yes, I can do the math. However, there is a conflict between what we have and what we may need if not enough big bodies don't step it up quite a bit. Having one or two current bigs not here next year without position replacement(s) and the possibility of Morris continuing his foul problems, could leave us with bigger 4/5 problems than we had this year.

[shockmonster]

Likely? Probably.

Hopefully? No.

I don't remember the quote exactly, but HCGM said something like he doesn't want benchwarmers, but players challenging for playing time. You have 80 minutes between the 4/5 positions and Morris, Kelly, BushW, Nurger, Glass, and Hamilton as your true players for those positions. That's a little over 13 minutes a piece. If Morris and Kelly take only 35 of those minutes, that's about 11 minutes left for the other 4 per player. If Brown, Wessel, and McDuffie take only 15 of those minutes, that leaves 30 and 7.5 minutes for the remaining four. If you think those three will play a lot more than 15 minutes, that leaves even fewer minutes and two of those four bigs will be seniors.

I'm hoping Morris and Kelly will play closer to 40 total minutes and at least two of the other four will step up for a combined minimum of 20 minutes, plus another 5-10 for the other two (or some sort of combination totaling 25-30 minutes). That should leave only about 10-20 max for Brown, Wessel, and McDuffie. If not, some or most of those 4 bigs are benchwarmers. Hamilton, being a freshman gets a pass, but if Kelly can play 15 mpg, Hamilton could as well.

I don't care who gets what minutes. But I hope we have 13 players competing in practice and play 10-11 players in games. I want for us to be able to press full court and that we have a couple of rim protectors. On offense I want to be able to run. We have the athletes this year but when your starters are playing 30-35 minutes per game, Gregg has to pick our spots to pressure and our young guys have made too many turn overs. Next year we should have more depth. But I don't care how tall our players are. I just want to pressure and win.

[Blackmag]

I think Zach has been coming on over the last third of the season, the concussion did put a halt to it temporarily, but Marshall has been playing him in more pressure type moments lately, just a matter of Zach gaining coaches confidence in him. I think he could be our secret X factor Sunday, much like the Louisville player that made a few 3pt daggers to get them back in the game in the final four. I like his size and he has a nice stroke, he's only going to get better and stronger...skys the limit

[Shocker Mama]

Did you notice how gassed Ron was at that timeout? He said in a postgame interview he was wied out and cramping,.

Ron didn't look like he felt good at the post-game interview. Hope he's good to go today.

[another shocker]

Tevin Glass has kind of disappeared in the post season.

i wouldn't be surprised to see him play today.. something like bush against uni.

[wufan]

The problem in your example is moving out 1 or 2 bigs which I assume will be replaced by other bigs.

I don't think we are too far apart, I just don't expect Glass or Nurger to contribute next year regardless of whether or not they are on the team. I don't really think we are going to replace them either. I think Wessel/Brown/McDuffie will combine to play ~ 60 minutes between the 3 and the 4. I expect Morris/BWam/Kelly/Hamilton to play ~ 60 minutes between the 4 and the 5.

[Dan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3iDhx8h4MI

Look at that hustle getting down the floor.

That play right there is something that we've been missing with the departure of Early. Big men getting down the court for the transition dunk. Zach is not exactly a "big" but he can fill that role if needed.

[forevershockerfan]

FVV emerged at the Dance our Final 4 Season to give us solid contributions off the bench along with his 25' make versus the Zags before the shot clock went off. That shot was huge. Likewise, versus Indiana, Brown's 11-points and 8 rebounds were instrumental in our win. Brown will get still more chances along with Shaq and Kelly today to help us win the Battle of Omaha.