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  • #91
    Originally posted by pie n eye View Post
    It's naive to think they haven't already circled the wagons.
    I think that most of the seeding committee members have a bias but they still try to balance that bias out with what is right. The seeding committee is behind closed doors with rules to not take things outside. This reminder is a good thing to help those members look at the way it should be and help those non power 5 committee members to voice what should be.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View Post
      Why is it "straight up dumb" to ask a question when you don't know the answer? Isn't that was questions are for?

      Or are you a lawyer?
      (You must be a lawyer.)

      Not having been informed to the highest degree of accuracy, I hesitate to articulate for fear that I might deviate from the true course of rectitude. In short, sir, I am very dumb Shocker fan and do not know, sir.

      I am uninformed, so therefore I am without knowledge. Some might say that since I am without knowledge, then I am dumb.

      Note: I have four college degrees. Three are from WSU and one from TAMU. My friends say that I am an over educated idiot.
      "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it is about the future."

      --Niels Bohr







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      • #93
        Originally posted by shockmonster View Post
        I think that most of the seeding committee members have a bias but they still try to balance that bias out with what is right. The seeding committee is behind closed doors with rules to not take things outside. This reminder is a good thing to help those members look at the way it should be and help those non power 5 committee members to voice what should be.
        A majority of this year's selection committee, as it is every year, is comprised of representatives outside the power-5 conferences. This year it's 6 of 10. So you think most of this and previous committees have a bias for power conference teams? And then they try to hide (or in your words, balance) that bias?

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View Post
          Why is it "straight up dumb" to ask a question when you don't know the answer? Isn't that was questions are for?

          Or are you a lawyer?
          Originally posted by Ricardo del Rio View Post
          (You must be a lawyer.)

          Not having been informed to the highest degree of accuracy, I hesitate to articulate for fear that I might deviate from the true course of rectitude. In short, sir, I am very dumb Shocker fan and do not know, sir.

          I am uninformed, so therefore I am without knowledge. Some might say that since I am without knowledge, then I am dumb.

          Note: I have four college degrees. Three are from WSU and one from TAMU. My friends say that I am an over educated idiot.
          "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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          • #95
            Originally posted by BikeIdiot View Post
            Mark Adams @EnthusiAdams · 4h 4 hours ago
            Big budget schools play 85% of non conf games at home or neutral and most neutral games feature big budget face offs. System is rigged.

            Mark Adams @EnthusiAdams · 4h 4 hours ago
            Big budget teams have every scheduling advantage. That is a fact from one who tracks it every year. We'll talk more later.

            Mark Adams @EnthusiAdams · 3h 3 hours ago
            All evaluations of NCAA Tournament teams are based on scheduling. Until scheduling is regulated the selection process will forever be flawed

            Mark Adams @EnthusiAdams · 3h 3 hours ago
            I could fix this overnight. Outlaw all guarantee games and require all home and home games or neutral site games only. Dilemma solved!

            Mark Adams @EnthusiAdams · 3h 3 hours ago
            Money that buys home games should not buy an NCAA Championship.

            Mark Adams @EnthusiAdams · 3h 3 hours ago
            Syracuse never leaves the state of New York to play a game. How is that fair to the other 350 division 1 teams?

            Mark Adams @EnthusiAdams · 3h 3 hours ago
            Punishment for cheating needs to be more severe than punishment for losing. Lose? Get fired. Cheat? Banned for life D1.
            I think Adams is on target with his "scheduling" comments of which all are true to a degree. I don't believe his own solution statement was meant as something the NCAA should really do, so much as point out the problem and that more needs to be done. Pretty sure he knows that solution will never happen.

            Kansas, for example, has been scheduling a very tough schedule having no games against 200+ teams and only 3 against 100+, one being UNLV who was down this year. The problem is that they know how to use the system. They can absorb a few losses, even a very lopsided one to Temple, and it doesn't hurt them. Problem is, that Temple loss was one of only two OOC road games. They load up on neutral site games to go along with a lot at home. Those neutral site games can also protect against a few losses with little hit because of who they get to play and schedule. Non P5 schools simply cannot have those type of schedules because there not going to get that many neutral and/or home against the same level of competition because the P5 won't play ball.

            Notre Dame's OOC SoS was a joke. So much so, that regardless of their conference play, it should automatically cost them a couple of seed lines down for thumbing their nose to the process. NO road games. Played 7 250+ RPI games at home, 5 were 300+.

            Iowa St had just one road game which they won.......Iowa. They had 4 neutral games, one was against Drake, and lost 2 of the other 3. This is a team that finished only a game out of first in the Big 12. How does this make the Big 12 look strong? They lost to Texas Tech, who in itself had an easy schedule; only one road game (loss to LSU) and 2 neutral games (both losses, Loyola and horrible Houston), but won all their home games, the best being Auburn around 150 RPI. I also noticed that Tech's OOC RPI was 140 on rpiforecast.com which to me is a little amazing given who they played and who they lost to.

            Basically, bigger adjustments need to be made when teams schedule like this and "close out" quality non-P5. WSU's OOC schedule didn't stand up to what we hoped, but no one can say WSU did not try to challenge themselves with their scheduling of Memphis, Tulsa, Utah, St Louis, Seton Hall, and Alabama, having only 5 home games, 3 neutral, 3 away. Either non-P5 teams should be awarded more for trying to have a challenging schedule, not penalized as much for what they cannot control (poor RPI conference), and/or P-5 schools penalized for "avoidance" in their non-con.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by ShockTalk View Post
              WSU scheduled Memphis, Tulsa, Utah, St Louis, Seton Hall, and Alabama, having only 5 home games, 3 neutral, 3 away. Either non-P5 teams should be awarded more for trying to have a challenging schedule, not penalized as much for what they cannot control (poor RPI conference), and/or P-5 schools penalized for "avoidance" in their non-con.
              Technically 2 neutral and 4 away as I count the Hawaii game as an away game and not neutral. I wonder if the committee would do the same?
              I just want to stand on land...

              @rjl:
              If I had a gun with two bullets and was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden, and a Creighton fan, I think I'd shoot the Creighton fan twice.

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              • #97
                Count me as ignorant, and this is quickly turning into a debate about a P5 split, but if they did split, would they still be able to take cupcake OOC if they're not part of the NCAA?

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by LandStander View Post
                  Technically 2 neutral and 4 away as I count the Hawaii game as an away game and not neutral. I wonder if the committee would do the same?
                  Hawaii is an "away" game. Neutral court games include Memphis, Loyola Marymount, and George Washington.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by ShockTalk View Post
                    Hawaii is an "away" game. Neutral court games include Memphis, Loyola Marymount, and George Washington.
                    That's right, I forgot the Memphis game was in South Dakota. Thanks
                    I just want to stand on land...

                    @rjl:
                    If I had a gun with two bullets and was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden, and a Creighton fan, I think I'd shoot the Creighton fan twice.

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