Frankamp arrested for DUI..........

[SB Shock]

2 players off the present roster (or from incoming recruit list) have to be gone - Connor has not helped his cause to go from walk-on to scholarship player.

[ShockTalk]

Because I'm not Sexton's adviser, friend, or even acquaintance. However, I am my own adviser. Am I not entitled to form opinions about the institutions I give my money to?

No.

Honest question. Why not (or are you merely slinging arrows due to who said it)?

[ShockerFever]

The latter.

[ShockTalk]

2 players off the present roster (or from incoming recruit list) have to be gone - Connor has not helped his cause to go from walk-on to scholarship player.

Up until this page, I've stayed out of this conversation. This is a discussion board, the subject matter has been plastered though out the media and, thus, fair game to voice opinions. All opinions are biased because of one's life experiences, or lack there of, but none the less valid for this forum. Some fans have only there time invested, others their financial support as well. Both should be allowed to voice their opinion, however, it is the institution that will weigh the "importance" of where that opinion comes from.

I'll try to stay away an emotional type response, but it is hard for it not to be involved.

There is never a "better" time for something like this to happen, only worse. The more important a student athlete is to the program and/or the more visible he is, the more damning it will be to the program. I do not believe punishment should be any different for a star player or one on the end of the bench when it comes to scholarship athletes. I do believe the quality of past character history, and the length of time it has been shown, counts.

Therefore, I view Connor's situation to be a dire one. One of terrible timing. He has not built any meaningful quality time with his teammates, the coaching staff, or the school's fan base. What would be the reaction of the team, coaches, and fans had this happened to a new recruit, not from the area or state? How the punishment, whatever it is, is dished out, sets a precedence, or at least an expected level of reprimand for current and future student athletes. Glad that's above my pay grade. Connor does have the next 11-12 months to gain his teammates and coaches trust. This is both a good thing and a bad. The good, I just stated. The bad, as a transfer, is that he should have known that making that great first impression is extremely important and that just went down the toilet. The other "bad" that may exist is how would such a situation be handle for any new recruit, without the forced sitting out period. The old adage is you get a players best attention by setting him down, not playing him. IMHO, punishment only during the next 11-12 months is not enough and would be less meaningful than taking actual playing time away. Keep in mind, that I stated that I believe one's history within the program, prior to an incident, counts.

Now for my emotional side. It burnt me that a current player or recruit, who wanted to be at WSU from the beginning, may face a different fate than if there was no transfer. With this incident, it burns me a lot more. Of course, I need to weigh this feeling with the possibility that if it was not Connor, it might have been someone else anyway. We are now playing, and paying for, big time basketball. This is not Y ball and, frankly, the student athletes should know that.

OK. I'll get off my soapbox for this thread, although, if I made something confusing or poorly worded, I'll respond.

:wsu_posters:

[Fozzy]

Been hearing the Dillon's Sunflower Showdown commercials, so I think part of Conner's punishment should be to stand outside of local Dillon's with a placard that reads - "There's no Sunflower Showdown without WSU" on one side, and "My hometown Dillon's has more KSU and KU things for sale than WSU things" on the other side :)

[Shock Therapy]

Been hearing the Dillon's Sunflower Showdown commercials, so I think part of Conner's punishment should be to stand outside of local Dillon's with a placard that reads - "There's no Sunflower Showdown without WSU" on one side, and "My hometown Dillon's has more KSU and KU things for sale than WSU things" on the other side :)

This was true a few years ago and it really pissed me off. However, the Dillons at 21st and Maize has had more Shocker stuff than the other schools for a while now. And it's more prominently displayed too.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Honest question. Why not (or are you merely slinging arrows due to who said it)?

The latter.

I'm not surprised that you are trolling, Fever. Just surprised you are now openly admitting it.

[Fozzy]

This was true a few years ago and it really pissed me off. However, the Dillons at 21st and Maize has had more Shocker stuff than the other schools for a while now. And it's more prominently displayed too.

They must have moved the KSU and KU stuff from it over to the one on 37th and Woodlawn, because the last time I was in that one they had a greater amount of stuff for those schools than WSU. Maybe they figure people on the east side buy stuff at WSU instead.

[jdmee]

I'm not surprised that you are trolling, Fever. Just surprised you are now openly admitting it.

And I'm surprised an administrator is condoning the trolling by liking the post.

[Turd Furgeson]

They must have moved the KSU and KU stuff from it over to the one on 37th and Woodlawn, because the last time I was in that one they had a greater amount of stuff for those schools than WSU. Maybe they figure people on the east side buy stuff at WSU instead.

That's because no one buys that ugly crap and the shocker gear flies off the shelf!

[ShockerFever]

I'm not surprised that you are trolling, Fever. Just surprised you are now openly admitting it.

I was being sarcastic with the latter comment. I generally just think you shouldn't have an opinion on anything.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

And I'm surprised an administrator is condoning the trolling by liking the post.

I appreciate the general freedom the admin allow for posters on this board. I'd rather they err on the side of letting things slide than go around banning someone every 10 minutes.

That said, I just laugh whenever Kai sends out another "shape up or we will start implementing temporary bans" note in a thread that had become hostile.

Fever has told me to "GFY" and the admin don't even comment.

The next time I see a note from the admin about behavior, I'm not sure I'll be able to finish reading it. I'll be laughing too hard.

[ShockerFever]

Can we keep this thread from turning into a cryfest? It's already sad enough.

Jesus.

[_kai_]

And I'm surprised an administrator is condoning the trolling by liking the post.

Because it was an obvious joke and I thought it was funny. It seemed obvious to me Fever was making a joke rather than trolling.

[_kai_]

I appreciate the general freedom the admin allow for posters on this board. I'd rather they err on the side of letting things slide than go around banning someone every 10 minutes.

That said, I just laugh whenever Kai sends out another "shape up or we will start implementing temporary bans" note in a thread that had become hostile.

Fever has told me to "GFY" and the admin don't even comment.

The next time I see a note from the admin about behavior, I'm not sure I'll be able to finish reading it. I'll be laughing too hard.

Get over yourself, man. Good Lord.