Frankamp arrested for DUI..........

[Shock Therapy]

Interesting to see the response here if CF had 1-2 beers, blew a .02. He still would be charged the same.
Either way, he'll be on a 12 month diversion program, a "blower" in his car, $3-4K of fees etc. And then a clean record.

The law may view it the same. But socially, it's not the same thing. Blowing a .02 is not a big deal.

[Turd Furgeson]

This comment has nothing to do with the thread title or related posts.

I am guessing that you are in the real estate industry in some fashion. How close of a guess have I?

I was thinking IRS auditor.

[Mr. Obvious]

The law may view it the same. But socially, it's not the same thing. Blowing a .02 is not a big deal.

I agree, but he still would have arrested, etc etc.

[BostonWu]

As far as we know this is his first infraction. Assuming that is the case can anyone remember another D1 player getting the boot after a similar first offense? I don't know maybe a BYU player at some point?

[calfan]

I waited a little while to post. I wanted to get my feelings under control.

My thoughts and prayers go out to all the innocent people that did nothing wrong, but still have to deal with this.
Mr. Sexton and 3G did nothing wrong, but have to answer for this.

The other team members did nothing wrong, but they have to deal with this distraction.

The reputation of the WSU basketball team and university have been negatively impacted.

I have no feelings right now about CF.

I do know that Shaq Morris was suspended one game for not practicing hard enough.

[XManCometh]

Someone could've been hurt.

If someone had been, would that change your mind? I'm curious to hear anyone's opinion. If this is not severe enough to cause removal from the team would it have been severe enough if someone had gotten hurt? And would a removal in that case only have been because of PR purposes or would it be for punishment purposes?

If CF would have injured someone, or even killed them while drunk, the last thing he'd be worried about would be playing time or staying on the team. He'd be in jail on charges of vehicular manslaughter. At the very least he'd probably be looking at a few months in jail. His basketball would be over and most likely any chance of a normal life.

[SB Shock]

As far as we know this is his first infraction. Assuming that is the case can anyone remember another D1 player getting the boot after a similar first offense? I don't know maybe a BYU player at some point?

WSU kicked off a player under Turgeon for "stuff". There had been no public domain first offenses - I suppose he wanted to make sure there wasn't and nipped it in the bud. It hurt the team depth, but in the end WSU was better for it.

Really this becomes a question is this the way Connor is, and he just got caught, or did he just make a mistake 1 time and got caught? If he habitual offender then he probably not somebody u want on the team. But if it was a one team deal, and he is humble about it, takes his punishment, and come out and works harder to reach his full potential then maybe u give him another chance.

[jdshock]

If CF would have injured someone, or even killed them while drunk, the last thing he'd be worried about would be playing time or staying on the team. He'd be in jail on charges of vehicular manslaughter. At the very least he'd probably be looking at a few months in jail. His basketball would be over and most likely any chance of a normal life.

I guess that's my point, though. His action is the same regardless. It's just that no one - thank God -
was unlucky enough to be in the wrong place that night. It puts into perspective just how reckless the act was.

[1972Shocker]

In the 2011 drunk driving accident involving WSU baseball players there were 4 players involved. 3 were underage and 1, Toby Mateychick, was of age. Two of the players stayed in the motel while Zack Beringer and Toby Mateychick left (probably to buy more booze) with the 19-year old Beringer. I don't rember if the two players that stayed behind at the motel received any punishment. IIRC the were not suspended for any games. Mateychick, who was recovering from elbow surgery, received a 10-game suspension when he was medically cleared to play. Of ocourse, a 10-game suspension for a pitcher is not really a 10-game suspension. Zach Beringer had very serious injuries which effectively destroyed what could have been a professional career.

Personally, I thought Mateychick should have been booted off the team. Since he was the only player of age he no doubt supplied the booze. That doesn't exclude the other players from responsibility but Mateychick was an enabler.

Both Mateychick and Beringer were thrown from the vehicle and those two young men are very, very, very lucky to be alive today. I kind of wonder what their views on drinking and driving are today.

Some posters have said that the Frankamp incident will be a good teaching experience. Not sure about that. It doesn't appear the Mateychick/Beringer incident had any lasting effect other than perhaps on those directly involved and that incident was far worse than Conner's incident, although there is no doubt Conner's had the potential to be just as bad or worse.

edit from @_kai_:: I don't edit people's posts, but I'm making an exception here. 72 stated that it was "wsu basketball players" when he clearly meant baseball. I'm editing to make that change so it doesn't cause problems if people aren't familiar.

[60Shock]

Personally, I think all youngsters deserve a second chance in a situation like this one along with some type of punishment to be determined by AD and GM.

Just curious since some think CF should be thrown to the wolves as to what your opinion would be if this was FVV, Baker, or Cotton, or even GM? Let me be very clear on this point - I don't think for a minute any of them would, but no one is PERFECT.

But, I do think that the punishment should be the same, no matter who is involved, with the exception that it should be more severe in the case of an adult such as an AD or any coaches.

[ShockerFever]

Personally, I think all youngsters deserve a second chance in a situation like this one along with some type of punishment to be determined by AD and GM.

Just curious since some think CF should be thrown to the wolves as to what your opinion would be if this was FVV, Baker, or Cotton, or even GM? Let me be very clear on this point - I don't think for a minute any of them would, but no one is PERFECT.

But, I do think that the punishment should be the same, no matter who is involved, with the exception that it should be more severe in the case of an adult such as an AD or any coaches.

Solid points.

[im4wsu]

In the 2011 drunk driving accident involving WSU basketball players there were 4 players involved. 3 were underage and 1, Toby Mateychick, was of age. Two of the players stayed in the motel while Zack Beringer and Toby Mateychick left (probably to buy more booze) with the 19-year old Beringer. I don't rember if the two players that stayed behind at the motel received any punishment. IIRC the were not suspended for any games. Mateychick, who was recovering from elbow surgery, received a 10-game suspension when he was medically cleared to play. Of ocourse, a 10-game suspension for a pitcher is not really a 10-game suspension. Zach Beringer had very serious injuries which effectively destroyed what could have been a professional career.

Personally, I thought Mateychick should have been booted off the team. Since he was the only player of age he no doubt supplied the booze. That doesn't exclude the other players from responsibility but Mateychick was an enabler.

Both Mateychick and Beringer were thrown from the vehicle and those two young men are very, very, very lucky to be alive today. I kind of wonder what their views on drinking and driving are today.

Some posters have said that the Frankamp incident will be a good teaching experience. Not sure about that. It doesn't appear the Mateychick/Beringer incident had any lasting effect other than perhaps on those directly involved and that incident was far worse than Conner's incident, although there is no doubt Conner's had the potential to be just as bad or worse.

baseball players.

[tw805]

Personally, I think all youngsters deserve a second chance in a situation like this one along with some type of punishment to be determined by AD and GM.

Just curious since some think CF should be thrown to the wolves as to what your opinion would be if this was FVV, Baker, or Cotton, or even GM? Let me be very clear on this point - I don't think for a minute any of them would, but no one is PERFECT.

But, I do think that the punishment should be the same, no matter who is involved, with the exception that it should be more severe in the case of an adult such as an AD or any coaches.

Frankamp made two mistakes: Going to KU, then getting a DUI. I consider this a second offense.

[pinstripers]

Personally, I think all youngsters deserve a second chance in a situation like this one along with some type of punishment to be determined by AD and GM.

Just curious since some think CF should be thrown to the wolves as to what your opinion would be if this was FVV, Baker, or Cotton, or even GM? Let me be very clear on this point - I don't think for a minute any of them would, but no one is PERFECT.

But, I do think that the punishment should be the same, no matter who is involved, with the exception that it should be more severe in the case of an adult such as an AD or any coaches.

It is just not the same. If this was Wessel, we would think.............well, one mistake in four years.............With Connor, it's; Damn, he hasn't even been here a month and look at this.

[shockmonster]

I waited a little while to post. I wanted to get my feelings under control.

My thoughts and prayers go out to all the innocent people that did nothing wrong, but still have to deal with this.
Mr. Sexton and 3G did nothing wrong, but have to answer for this.

The other team members did nothing wrong, but they have to deal with this distraction.

The reputation of the WSU basketball team and university have been negatively impacted.

I have no feelings right now about CF.

I do know that Shaq Morris was suspended one game for not practicing hard enough.

I haven't read through all of the posts so if it is a repeat, I apologize. Shaq's situation isn't apples to apples equivalent.
Shaq was yelled at, lectured, and met with many times that he needed to lose weight and practice harder during the past two years. Sometimes Gregg was nice, sometimes he was diplomatic and sent other coaches as emissaries, sometimes players like Fred passed on the message. Other times he ran steps, rode a stationary bike, and one time he was suspended from a game. Shaq received many second chances over two years. Not exactly analogous.