Frankamp arrested for DUI..........

[Aargh]

I have it on good authority that CFs punishment has been decided upon. He will be spending the next 8 weekends hanging out with ShockValue and Argh...tea, crumpets and parcheesi!!! 100% pure adrenaline, hooyah!

Much to what may be your surprise, I could certainly pass along some much-needed knowledge from some years of experience. The first advice would be to NEVER, EVER take Kellogg if you've been drinking. Be prepared for the drive home. Scout seldom-traveled routes before-hand. Always follow the speed limits. Keep your eyes moving between your speedometer and the road. Do not swerve within your lane. Always signal turns. Drinking is more enjoyable if you are not trying to see how drunk you can get.

I could also tell him what he's facing to get diversion. I've never had a DUI, but I have reviewed the psychological profile tests that are given and how they are graded to determine the proper counseling during diversion. The classifications are (or used to be) social drinker, problem drinker, and alcoholic. They tend to conclude "alcoholic" pretty readily. CF is certain to be classified at least "problem drinker". A lot of the classification to "alcoholic" is dependent on where the individual places alcohol among their priorities. A scholarship basketball player apparently putting alcohol at a higher priority than basketball, which is his means of getting an education, will go off the charts from the county psycholigists.

CF is a problem drinker. He got a DUI. That's a problem, and that's all that's required to be classified as a problem drinker in the "official" classifications used in counseling. He's got some huge consequences from his actions.

There are some things right now that would be fairly destructive for him. Kicking him off the team or giving him a suspension that might cause him to transfer could tend to create a larger problem rather than resolving the one that exists. Making excuses like "everyone does it, it's no big deal" or "he just made a mistake - get over it" are incredibly destructive. Those excuses are already going through the mind of anyone trying to overcome any substance abuse problem. Reinforcing them tends to negate counseling and therapy aimed at getting drinking under control. People who provide those excuses are called enablers, because they enable those with a problem to find reasons to continue their problem.

I've picked people up from their mandatory jail weekend when they had 8 hours a day of counseling. I've had friends (now acquaintances) with anywhere from 4 to 6 DUI's. I've lost 4 former friends to alcohol abuse over the last 5 or so years. I've had a friend who owned a bar I went to regularly sponsor me to his AA group. I didn't really fit in with that crowd. I did learn that I never wanted to.

In college I was a dormie, so I lived with and hung out with mainly the jocks. Maybe that's why I didn't see the levels of alcohol consumption being described here as "normal".

[Shock Top]

Much to what may be your surprise, I could certainly pass along some much-needed knowledge from some years of experience. The first advice would be to NEVER, EVER take Kellogg if you've been drinking. Be prepared for the drive home. Scout seldom-traveled routes before-hand. Always follow the speed limits. Keep your eyes moving between your speedometer and the road. Do not swerve within your lane. Always signal turns.

Couple other things (and there are dozens more still):
1) Always come to a "complete stop" at a stop sign
2) Always pull into the closest through-lane.

I have been pulled over for both of these and let go with warnings. I knew they were only doing it so they had "probable cause" to check me for D&D.

Don't give them ANY excuse. EVER.

[Turd Furgeson]

I was one of those whacky hard partying fraternity guys that you are stereotyping. In my 4 years I don't remember anyone getting a DUI. I attribute this to 3 factors. 1. We stayed either at home or very close to home, other fraternities or local watering holes (field house, cedar, flicker etc). 2. There was always a pledge available to pick us up at any hour (this was by design and well organized). 3. We were educated by the fraternity on a national and local level to the dangers of driving drunk up to and including having speakers each semester that either were victims of a DUI tragedy or had their lives ruined by perpetrating a DUI tragedy. My point is that those "hard partying frat boys" were among the least likely to drink and drive of anyone on campus. Furthermore most, if not all of my brothers, grew out of that phase and are now productive successful adults as I am confident Conner will become.

[Aargh]

Guy stumbles out of a bar. Falls down when he steps off a crub into the parking lot. Gets up, staggers to his car, and fumbles getting the key in the door for about 30 seconds. Gets in his car, starts it up, and passes out. 15 minutes later it's closing time and he's still passed out in his car. 10 minutes later the parking lot is empty and he pulls out of the lot. Gets lit up immediately.

Passes the field sobriety test. Cop calls the Bat Van and the guy blows a 0. Cop says, "I watched you fall down in the parking lot, couldn't find the lock in the door for your key, pass out in your car. How can you blow a zero"? Guy replies, "It was my night to be the decoy".

[Shock Top]

I was one of those whacky hard partying fraternity guys that you are stereotyping. In my 4 years I don't remember anyone getting a DUI. I attribute this to 3 factors. 1. We stayed either at home or very close to home, other fraternities or local watering holes (field house, cedar, flicker etc). 2. There was always a pledge available to pick us up at any hour (this was by design and well organized). 3. We were educated by the fraternity on a national and local level to the dangers of driving drunk up to and including having speakers each semester that either were victims of a DUI tragedy or had their lives ruined by perpetrating a DUI tragedy. My point is that those "hard partying frat boys" were among the least likely to drink and drive of anyone on campus. Furthermore most, if not all of my brothers, grew out of that phase and are now productive successful adults as I am confident Conner will become.

I can second this motion.

[Turd Furgeson]

Guy stumbles out of a bar. Falls down when he steps off a crub into the parking lot. Gets up, staggers to his car, and fumbles getting the key in the door for about 30 seconds. Gets in his car, starts it up, and passes out. 15 minutes later it's closing time and he's still passed out in his car. 10 minutes later the parking lot is empty and he pulls out of the lot. Gets lit up immediately.

Passes the field sobriety test. Cop calls the Bat Van and the guy blows a 0. Cop says, "I watched you fall down in the parking lot, couldn't find the lock in the door for your key, pass out in your car. How can you blow a zero"? Guy replies, "It was my night to be the decoy".

Awesome!

[Shock Top]

Guy stumbles out of a bar. Falls down when he steps off a crub into the parking lot. Gets up, staggers to his car, and fumbles getting the key in the door for about 30 seconds. Gets in his car, starts it up, and passes out. 15 minutes later it's closing time and he's still passed out in his car. 10 minutes later the parking lot is empty and he pulls out of the lot. Gets lit up immediately.

Passes the field sobriety test. Cop calls the Bat Van and the guy blows a 0. Cop says, "I watched you fall down in the parking lot, couldn't find the lock in the door for your key, pass out in your car. How can you blow a zero"? Guy replies, "It was my night to be the decoy".

That's pretty good stuff!

[Aargh]

I was one of those whacky hard partying fraternity guys that you are stereotyping. In my 4 years I don't remember anyone getting a DUI. I attribute this to 3 factors. 1. We stayed either at home or very close to home, other fraternities or local watering holes (field house, cedar, flicker etc). 2. There was always a pledge available to pick us up at any hour (this was by design and well organized). 3. We were educated by the fraternity on a national and local level to the dangers of driving drunk up to and including having speakers each semester that either were victims of a DUI tragedy or had their lives ruined by perpetrating a DUI tragedy. My point is that those "hard partying frat boys" were among the least likely to drink and drive of anyone on campus. Furthermore most, if not all of my brothers, grew out of that phase and are now productive successful adults as I am confident Conner will become.

I am in total agreement with this. It fits everything I observed when I was in college in the late '60's - mid-'70's (there was a war going on). The frat guys I saw partying hard were in a controlled environment where they were highly unlikely to get in a car. I went through Rush Week and there were always designated drivers (before anyone had heard of the term) when the parties were off campus and involved drinking.

Some of the frats were hard drinking - as in bragging about how drunk they could get. Some were less focused on drinking, but they were all pretty responsible about drinking where they lived or offering a place to sleep for their off-campus members.

[Kung Wu]

I say let him shoot the rock, uncontested, 100 times from the three line.

If he goes 90+, he's golden, time served. We're a high major now, so we can look past an arrest or two. You know, "keep it real" and "play on an even playing-ground", yada yada yada.

If he goes 80-89, we make him run some laps, maybe he washes Lynn's car a few times this summer. Remember, big time schools have to have big time punishments for screw-ups.

If he goes 70-79, he sits a game or two and washes Lynn's car ALL summer.

If he goes 60-79, he sits two or three games and gets the "Marshall stomp 'n glare" everytime he subs off for at least 6 games.

If he goes 50-59, he sits four games, has to wash the other player's uniforms all season, and he wears a scarlet letter D on his uni.

If he goes 40-49, why the hell did we recruit this kid? We trade him for Jake White at UNO or put his butt on waivers. Not legal, you say? So what! Neither is drunk driving! Better yet, we suit him up in a chicken costume, drive him up to Lawrence, make him sing the WSU alma mater on Zenger's front lawn, THEN we offer UNO a trade for Jake White.

If he goes 20-39, we pull a "code yellow" and publicly flog him with soap filled tube socks while he is forced to sing the Wichita State fight song over and over! THEN we trade him for Jake White at UNO, or put him on waivers!!

If he goes 0- ...

Sorry for the distraction here, but dressing up in a chicken costume and singing the WSU alma mater up at Zenger's crib would make for a seriously funny YouTube video!! C'mon fraternity dudes, make this happen!!

P.S. Scarlet letter D is not for "DUI". It's for "dumbass". Jayhawk + DUI + (shooting 50%-59% uncontested from the three) = Dumbass.

[Aargh]

I like a suggestion I saw on the KU board. Give him extra dribble drills against FVV and Cotton. Fouls aren't called in drills.

[Shock Top]

I say let him shoot the rock, uncontested, 100 times from the three line.

If he goes 90+, he's golden, time served. We're a high major now, so we can look past an arrest or two. You know, "keep it real" and "play on an even playing-ground", yada yada yada.

If he goes 80-89, we make him run some laps, maybe he washes Lynn's car a few times this summer. Remember, big time schools have to have big time punishments for screw-ups.

If he goes 70-79, he sits a game or two and washes Lynn's car ALL summer.

If he goes 60-79, he sits two or three games and gets the "Marshall stomp 'n glare" everytime he subs off for at least 6 games.

If he goes 50-59, he sits four games, has to wash the other player's uniforms all season, and he wears a scarlet letter D on his uni.

If he goes 40-49, why the hell did we recruit this kid? We trade him for Jake White at UNO or put his butt on waivers. Not legal, you say? So what! Neither is drunk driving! Better yet, we suit him up in a chicken costume, drive him up to Lawrence, make him sing the WSU alma mater on Zenger's front lawn, THEN we offer UNO a trade for Jake White.

If he goes 20-39, we pull a "code yellow" and publicly flog him with soap filled tube socks while he is forced to sing the Wichita State fight song over and over! THEN we trade him for Jake White at UNO, or put him on waivers!!

If he goes 0- ...

Sorry for the distraction here, but dressing up in a chicken costume and singing the WSU alma mater up at Zenger's crib would make for a seriously funny YouTube video!! C'mon fraternity dudes, make this happen!!

P.S. Scarlet letter D is not for "DUI". It's for "dumbass". Jayhawk + DUI + (shooting 50%-59% uncontested from the three) = Dumbass.

Based on what he shot in the 3pt contest, 22-25 in each round (shots), he would be at 88%.

Looks like a couple stadium stairs and a clean Cadi for Lynn and we can put this issue to bed!

[jdshock]

I was one of those whacky hard partying fraternity guys that you are stereotyping. In my 4 years I don't remember anyone getting a DUI. I attribute this to 3 factors. 1. We stayed either at home or very close to home, other fraternities or local watering holes (field house, cedar, flicker etc). 2. There was always a pledge available to pick us up at any hour (this was by design and well organized). 3. We were educated by the fraternity on a national and local level to the dangers of driving drunk up to and including having speakers each semester that either were victims of a DUI tragedy or had their lives ruined by perpetrating a DUI tragedy. My point is that those "hard partying frat boys" were among the least likely to drink and drive of anyone on campus. Furthermore most, if not all of my brothers, grew out of that phase and are now productive successful adults as I am confident Conner will become.

But that's the difference, apparently, between you and CF. Even though you weren't (I'm assuming) representing a top 15 basketball program, you managed to not get a DUI.

I had multiple people come up to me on Monday and Tuesday and say "Heard one of your guards had a little too much fun this weekend..." The way the media has been reporting it, in an effort to get more clicks, has just said "WSU guard arrested for DUI." Which makes it sound like it could be either RB or FVV, which is total crap. As a basketball player, you are first and foremost an ambassador for the university.

And anyone who says I would have a different tune if it had been RB or FVV, you should know CF was a top-40 recruit. It's not like this is James Anacreon or Jake White that we are talking about. I've always been proud of the type of player we recruit: hard-working guys that tend not to have academic or legal trouble.

[DUShock]

I was one of those whacky hard partying fraternity guys that you are stereotyping. In my 4 years I don't remember anyone getting a DUI. I attribute this to 3 factors. 1. We stayed either at home or very close to home, other fraternities or local watering holes (field house, cedar, flicker etc). 2. There was always a pledge available to pick us up at any hour (this was by design and well organized). 3. We were educated by the fraternity on a national and local level to the dangers of driving drunk up to and including having speakers each semester that either were victims of a DUI tragedy or had their lives ruined by perpetrating a DUI tragedy. My point is that those "hard partying frat boys" were among the least likely to drink and drive of anyone on campus. Furthermore most, if not all of my brothers, grew out of that phase and are now productive successful adults as I am confident Conner will become.

Ditto, even in late 80's & early 90's it was this way on pretty much all of Vassar.

[shockmonster]

been proud of the type of player we recruit: hard-working guys that tend not to have academic or legal trouble.

TEND is the key word in your statement. I'm proud of our team representing the university and know that Gregg runs a disciplined program. Everyone knows that at some point something is going to happen. I was disappointed in what took place a few years ago following our F4 although the details were murky. I don't expect perfection from kids. I do have confidence that Gregg will run a disciplined program v

[ShockerFever]

Because I'm not Sexton's adviser, friend, or even acquaintance. However, I am my own adviser. Am I not entitled to form opinions about the institutions I give my money to?

No.