Potential Implosion of Big 12 and Its Impact on Shocker Basketball

[Shocker-maniac]

I don't think the Big 12 can afford a high profile, high revenue team like Missouri State.

Dang, you're right! The Big 12 is doomed!

[Shocker1976]

You guys are really missing the boat on this one. The answer is so obvious.

Let me be clear on this, THERE IS NO WAY THE BIG 12 IMPLODES. Absolutely, no way. Why? Because they have the secret answer in their hip pocket . . .

If things start to get really bad for the Big 12, the Missouri State Bears are available to join their conference. In fact, I would not be surprised if the envelope is already on the AD's desk, but he just hasn't found the letter opener yet.

Can we go ahead and close this thread now? Duh . . .

I want to make a final comment before we close this thread. When I was fortunate (young) enough to be working, strategic planning was one my more important responsibilities. This thread was an attempt by me to use the skills I acquired during 35 years of work to spot trends and their implications for future profitability; to me the trend and implications for college sports is quite clear. Roughly 64 schools are jockeying for position to control the two major college revenue sports - football and basketball.

Importantly for Wichita State and its basketball team the Shockers are not members of this group. Consequently I hope and pray that ADES is executing a strategic plan designed to solidify the Shocker basketball team's survivability as a relevant Top Ten basketball program.

[wufan]

Thanks. I'm really not trying to start anything on this, but not living in Kansas I've never heard anything, ever, about K-State being shafted. I've seen that a few times here and I find it odd that I've never heard of it.

Just to play devils advocate, I think the EMAW crowd believes that they are generally relegated down one level below the bowl game they believe they deserved based on w/l and SOS. I'm sure many fan bases have a similar belief.

[shock-it-to-me]

KState has NOT been shafted. Never. I have a lot of respect for Snyder but his teams nave not been shafted.

Kstate's never been shafted? Are you serious? They had a rule named after them due to their infamous shafting! 1998, ranked 3rd in the country and didn't get a BCS invite. Dropped all the way to the Alamo Bowl. Resulted in the "Kstate Rule", whereby the top 3 teams were required to get BCS invites.

[MoValley John]

Kstate's never been shafted? Are you serious? They had a rule named after them due to their infamous shafting! 1998, ranked 3rd in the country and didn't get a BCS invite. Dropped all the way to the Alamo Bowl. Resulted in the "Kstate Rule", whereby the top 3 teams were required to get BCS invites.

So they weren't shafted. They weren't number one or two, they weren't playing for a mythical national championship. They didn't get the bowl game they wanted because the bowl committee didn't want them. The bowl committees would award bids based on whom they thought would best fill the stadium, not on most deserving. K-State didn't have a reputation for traveling well, hence they were overlooked. No shaft, just good business.

[wufan]

So they weren't shafted. They weren't too two, they weren't playing for a mythical national championship. They didn't get the bowl game they wanted because the bowl committee didn't want them. The bowl committees would award bids based on whom they thought would best fill the stadium, not on most deserving. K-State didn't have a reputation for traveling well, hence they were overlooked. No shaft, just good business.

Actually K-State is known to travel extremely well.

[SHOCKvalue]

Actually K-State is known to travel extremely well.

Yeah, kind of a swing and a miss on this one MVJ. Not advocating for K-State, but their bowl contingent is well-known. They bring it.

[im4wsu]

Actually K-State is known to travel extremely well.

Any time, any way to get out of Manhattan.

[wu_shizzle]

Kstate's never been shafted? Are you serious? They had a rule named after them due to their infamous shafting! 1998, ranked 3rd in the country and didn't get a BCS invite. Dropped all the way to the Alamo Bowl. Resulted in the "Kstate Rule", whereby the top 3 teams were required to get BCS invites.

And didn't they lose that game?

[shock-it-to-me]

And didn't they lose that game?

They did, but they were understandably unmotivated considering the shafting they had received from the BCS bowls. Also, I think it had just been announced to the team that Stoops and Venebles were leaving which I think added to the lack of motivation for the game.

[WuShock16]

They did, but they were understandably unmotivated considering the shafting they had received from the BCS bowls. Also, I think it had just been announced to the team that Stoops and Venebles were leaving which I think added to the lack of motivation for the game.

To me, that showed why K-State didn't belong in a BCS game. Even if you get absolutely screwed like that, you make your point to show that you were screwed by going out and blasting Purdue. K-State losing that game only reinforced the notion that they didn't deserve a BCS spot.

[MoValley John]

Yeah, kind of a swing and a miss on this one MVJ. Not advocating for K-State, but their bowl contingent is well-known. They bring it.

I'm not saying they bring it or don't bring it, I've never heard either way. I also haven't heard a single example of KS TATE getting the shaft. Not getting a bowl game in an age where bowl games were handed out by old guys in bad ties and sport coats, isn't getting the shaft. In those days, the at large invites were as much a product of what fans will show up and spend money in the city, as much as they were about the best team. Traditional winners generally had bigger bandwagons and therefore got more prestigious invites. My guess is this so called screw job happened close to K-State's emergence as a quality team. If that's the case, you can't blame the bowl officials for hedging against a relative unknown, with a small stadium in a tiny city.

I've never heard of any new bowl rules referred to as a the K-State rule. Outside of Kansas, I bet few have. In contrast, just about everyone is familiar with the Notre Dame rule.

[wufan]

I'm not saying they bring it or don't bring it, I've never heard either way. I also haven't heard a single example of KS TATE getting the shaft. Not getting a bowl game in an age where bowl games were handed out by old guys in bad ties and sport coats, isn't getting the shaft. In those days, the at large invites were as much a product of what fans will show up and spend money in the city, as much as they were about the best team. Traditional winners generally had bigger bandwagons and therefore got more prestigious invites. My guess is this so called screw job happened close to K-State's emergence as a quality team. If that's the case, you can't blame the bowl officials for hedging against a relative unknown, with a small stadium in a tiny city.

I've never heard of any new bowl rules referred to as a the K-State rule. Outside of Kansas, I bet few have. In contrast, just about everyone is familiar with the Notre Dame rule.

The K-State rule is a common term. Google it. While I enjoy your posts, I think this is a time to sit back and learn rather than respond.

[Shocker-maniac]

So they weren't shafted. They weren't number one or two, they weren't playing for a mythical national championship. They didn't get the bowl game they wanted because the bowl committee didn't want them. The bowl committees would award bids based on whom they thought would best fill the stadium, not on most deserving. K-State didn't have a reputation for traveling well, hence they were overlooked. No shaft, just good business.

I would guess that it was related to concerns about TV ratings.

[MoValley John]

The K-State rule is a common term. Google it. While I enjoy your posts, I think this is a time to sit back and learn rather than respond.

I'll quit responding, I didn't want it to go this far, I just don't see how getting passed over once, for one meaningless bowl over a decade ago, constitutes shafted. To me, shafted is when a team gets a fifth down, when a receiver is tackled before the ball gets there and no interference, uncalled obvious penalties and things that count. If my team wasn't in the big game, which bowl game they went to hardly matters. I don't know, carry on I guess.