SLU Tickets - Intrust Bank Arena

[wu_shizzle]

The problem with Cox is that their 100Mbps network runs at 0Mbps all too frequently. AT&T Uverse is WAAAY more stable than Cox's Internet service. Cox has a better television system though. So if you need stable Internet, AT&T is the better choice. If you want a better DVR system and interactive TV guide, then Cox is the better system. Customer support for AT&T, while not spectacular, is way better than Cox.

My experience has been identical.

[ShockerFever]

Am I the only one who remembers that we only had a handful of games on tv before Cox stepped in? I also don't know if channel 12 could have shown very many more than the ones they did due to their affiliate stipulations.

When Cox stepped in about 10 years ago, we still only had a handful of games televised. Each year, more games would seem to get picked up. This would have happened regardless of who had the rights.

KSCW, KWCH's sister station, could probably do that and not interfere with primetime network programming. And KSCW is a channel that is accessible to anyone with any cable or satellite system, and even those still wondering around with over-the-air.

[ShockerFever]

So, be upset with WSU because they sold their product to the highest bidder? From what I understand the local TV stations do not even bid to show the number of games that Cox carries. Sorry, but if I'm selling my product the highest bidder is going to get my attention.

If it's all about the Benjamins, then yes, WSU has done the right thing.

[SHOCKvalue]

Can you image how pissed you would have been to stand in a rain with lines out to the street? What dumbshit designed an arena with only two main entrances? I got in an out of Yankee Stadium faster during a sell out for Jeter's 3000 hit game several years ago. Why can every building I go into move people in and out faster than Intrust (well, Hartman Arena sucks also at this)

Because - no exaggeration - IBA was designed by a committee of local architectural firms who've collectively, and singularly, never designed an arena before, rather than a national-level architectural firm who specializes in such things. That's not an embellishment; it's what actually happened. It is why everyone else in comparable towns (and smaller - see Lincoln's new DT arena) have nice but conforming facilities, and we ended up with something that looks like a centaur mated with a mermaid.

[ShockerFever]

Because - no exaggeration - IBA was designed by a committee of local architectural firms who've collectively, and singularly, never designed an arena before, rather than a national-level architectural firm who specializes in such things. That's not an embellishment; it's what actually happened. It is why everyone else in comparable towns (and smaller - see Lincoln's new DT arena) have nice but conforming facilities, and we ended up with something that looks like a centaur mated with a mermaid.

This is all truth and is very painful to read. IBA really was a $200 million ****-up. It's quite a shame.

[wufan]

Because - no exaggeration - IBA was designed by a committee of local architectural firms who've collectively, and singularly, never designed an arena before, rather than a national-level architectural firm who specializes in such things. That's not an embellishment; it's what actually happened. It is why everyone else in comparable towns (and smaller - see Lincoln's new DT arena) have nice but conforming facilities, and we ended up with something that looks like a centaur mated with a mermaid.

While I know nothing about who designed it and why, I actually like the exterior aesthetic of it. Of course centaur/mermaid porn is also appealing to me. ;)

[SHOCKvalue]

While I know nothing about who designed it and why, I actually like the exterior aesthetic of it. Of course centaur/mermaid porn is also appealing to me. ;)

How can you like the exterior design? It can't decide what it wants to be. It is like a mullet: business on one end, party on the other.

Sadly, it is a far more physically imposing structure from its backside (north elevation). That is due to a roof that slopes downward from north to south (a design characteristic you'd be hard-pressed to find used in a comparable structure - and for obvious reasons).

[wufan]

How can you like the exterior design? It can't decide what it wants to be. It is like a mullet: business on one end, party on the other.

Sadly, it is a far more physically imposing structure from its backside (north elevation). That is due to a roof that slopes downward from north to south (a design characteristic you'd be hard-pressed to find used in a comparable structure - and for obvious reasons).

I can't help it. I have horrible taste.

[ShockerFever]

How can you like the exterior design? It can't decide what it wants to be. It is like a mullet: business on one end, party on the other.

Sadly, it is a far more physically imposing structure from its backside (north elevation). That is due to a roof that slopes downward from north to south (a design characteristic you'd be hard-pressed to find used in a comparable structure - and for obvious reasons).

The roof slanting downward is an abomination.

And it's also why when sitting at the top of the building makes it impossible to view the other side of the arena and even parts of the scoreboard as the rafters are so low they literally get in the way. It also probably disorientates a good amount of people that probably get claustrophobic with the ceiling appearing to be coming down at them.

That roof is a fail on so many levels and any idiot like you or me could see that coming from a mile a way. And yet it didn't jump out at the engineer/designing team that is getting paid six figures to have things make sense.

[jcdshocker]

Because - no exaggeration - IBA was designed by a committee of local architectural firms who've collectively, and singularly, never designed an arena before, rather than a national-level architectural firm who specializes in such things. That's not an embellishment; it's what actually happened. It is why everyone else in comparable towns (and smaller - see Lincoln's new DT arena) have nice but conforming facilities, and we ended up with something that looks like a centaur mated with a mermaid.

You are slightly misinformed. While several local architectural firms were consulted, the consortium of architects included HOK Sports Architects. They are the experts at designing arenas. While I agree there are things to improve or do better, we have a county owned arena that has zero debt. It has dramatically improved downtown. I will probably be in the minority but I think it is one of the best decisions made in the last 30 years. The 2018 NCAA tournament is a cherry on top.

[BikeIdiot]

You are slightly misinformed. While several local architectural firms were consulted, the consortium of architects included HOK Sports Architects. They are the experts at designing arenas. While I agree there are things to improve or do better, we have a county owned arena that has zero debt. It has dramatically improved downtown. I will probably be in the minority but I think it is one of the best decisions made in the last 30 years. The 2018 NCAA tournament is a cherry on top.

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I agree with the decision fully. The execution sucks. I dislike the process of going there.

[ShockerFever]

The decision to build the arena, by far, was the right one. No one is denying that.

The decision on how to build the arena was a fail on many levels. That was and is the problem.

[Steeleshocker]

My dad and I thought that if we were going to do the arena at 15k they really needed to do something unique with the design so it would stand out against other arenas.

We thought they should have built it OVER the river. That would have been some awesome engineering.

[pinstripers]

I grasp what you are saying. It just doesn't make any sense. WSU owns the rights. Cox didn't force them to make the deal. Be upset with WSU.

Cox is available to you. You chose not to purchase (and I have no doubt that you have valid reasons not to). You chose not to watch WSU games. This is not the fault of Cox.

pretty well defined

[SHOCKvalue]

You are slightly misinformed. While several local architectural firms were consulted, the consortium of architects included HOK Sports Architects. They are the experts at designing arenas. While I agree there are things to improve or do better, we have a county owned arena that has zero debt. It has dramatically improved downtown. I will probably be in the minority but I think it is one of the best decisions made in the last 30 years. The 2018 NCAA tournament is a cherry on top.

My thrust there was that IBA was a design-by-committee, which it is - both factually, and by basic visual observation.

How has the arena helped DT ICT? It has spurred essentially zero nearby development. St Francis and Commerce Streets are still dumps only a hipster could love, and IBA remains adjacent to a work release center and an abandoned used car lot. And based on subsequent development DT I'm not sure how you could say it has had a tangible impact on the DT sector. DT Wichita 2014 is DT Wichita 2009, only now we have an oddball arena plopped down in an non-vibrant, ugly, no-mans-land region of DT.

I'm going to dream here a bit, but the following could have actually happened with proper community leadership: If Carlos Mayans had not run off Bass Pro, and we had a top shelf BPS facility sitting where that Gander Mountain pole barn is now, then Waterwalk actually would have likely developed in a manner as planned and hoped. Then you plop the new, shiny, 'normal' DT arena down right across Main from WW (one of the original, suggested sites) and DT Wichita would actually have a level of developmental synergy it has never seen. Sadly, none of this happened. What actually happened was the worst case scenario in all regards, courtesy of the people who draw a check to supposedly further this community.