An Informal Poll or What Is Your Guess

[IlliniShocker]

This is such a what have you done for me lately poll. Quite frankly a horrible list in my opinion. I mean Richard Pitino gets in the top 50 and hasn't even really recruited yet? McDermott at 23, I mean I'm not nearly the CU basher most of you are, but come on, if it weren't for Jr. he may not even be at CU still. On the upside, not that isn't deserved, I think Marshall will easily be top 10.

Edit: Furthermore, how does Dana, who has 3 NCAA tourney's in the last 2 years not even make the list? It is like Dana also raped that girl. Quite frankly, just an aggravatingly bad list.

I'm gonna have to step back up on my "F*** Bruce Pearl" soapbox for a minute, but even seeing him in the 'just missed' section was all it took to confirm what a joke the list is (although, with ESPN making it, that was kind of my assumption going into it). How can someone who has been sitting in the TV studio for the last 2-3 years, and is stll serving the final months of a show-cause penalty, possibly be doing one of the 75 or so best jobs right now?

[Ricardo del Rio]

#20 Thad Matta, Ohio State.

No other names today....so far.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/notebook/_/page/top50coaches20/no-20-ohio-state-thad-matta

rdr

[1972Shocker]

#20 Thad Matta, Ohio State.

No other names today....so far.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/notebook/_/page/top50coaches20/no-20-ohio-state-thad-matta

rdr

That seems too low to me for Coach Matta.

[Cdizzle]

That seems too low to me for Coach Matta.

I think I agree. They were in the E8 2 years ago. I think Matta is a victim here of his team being overrated by the national media a little bit the past couple of years. I think the E8 team overachieved and last year's team was right about what they should have been. But the media was so in love with Craft they overlooked the fact that he was a VERY good facilitator and defender, but not some major NBA talent that could go out and win games on his own. He wasn't surrounded by much last year. Even if you read a bunch of articles, ranking, power rankings from the past couple of years, a lot of them give serious "benefit-of-the-doubt" bump based simply on Craft being on the team and that he's a "winner."

"Allow me a moment to discuss one of my biggest pet peeves: labeling a player a “winner”. Because what happens when your winner starts losing. Isn’t he a “loser”? I mean if you’re fair, he’s a loser. Of course, nobody is so cruel to call an amateur sportsman a loser. That’s part of the reason why the winner label is just a lazy feel-good thing to explain something that has a less-mystical explanation. It all seems so arbitrary, too. Like, why isn’t Cleanthony Early called a winner? He’s won 52 of 61 games during his career, been to a Final Four, and was part of a team that beat Ohio State while the guy most-often labeled a winner shot 2-of-12 from the field.I’ll leave it as an exercise for the user to ponder the answer to that question, but I will say I have some sympathy for Aaron Craft. He didn’t ask to be labeled a winner, a label which is largely dependent on what his other four teammates contribute, what the five guys on the other team do, what three officials do, and what a fair amount of luck does"

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/week_in_review_1_24_1_30

[AndShock]

Thad Matta being right next to Larry Brown makes this list lose what little credibility it had left.

[moshock]

I think I agree. They were in the E8 2 years ago. I think Matta is a victim here of his team being overrated by the national media a little bit the past couple of years. I think the E8 team overachieved and last year's team was right about what they should have been. But the media was so in love with Craft they overlooked the fact that he was a VERY good facilitator and defender, but not some major NBA talent that could go out and win games on his own. He wasn't surrounded by much last year. Even if you read a bunch of articles, ranking, power rankings from the past couple of years, a lot of them give serious "benefit-of-the-doubt" bump based simply on Craft being on the team and that he's a "winner."

"Allow me a moment to discuss one of my biggest pet peeves: labeling a player a “winner”. Because what happens when your winner starts losing. Isn’t he a “loser”? I mean if you’re fair, he’s a loser. Of course, nobody is so cruel to call an amateur sportsman a loser. That’s part of the reason why the winner label is just a lazy feel-good thing to explain something that has a less-mystical explanation. It all seems so arbitrary, too. Like, why isn’t Cleanthony Early called a winner? He’s won 52 of 61 games during his career, been to a Final Four, and was part of a team that beat Ohio State while the guy most-often labeled a winner shot 2-of-12 from the field.I’ll leave it as an exercise for the user to ponder the answer to that question, but I will say I have some sympathy for Aaron Craft. He didn’t ask to be labeled a winner, a label which is largely dependent on what his other four teammates contribute, what the five guys on the other team do, what three officials do, and what a fair amount of luck does"

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/web...view_1_24_1_30

This same reasoning / player may be what put Bruce Pearl on the list

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

I think I agree. They were in the E8 2 years ago. I think Matta is a victim here of his team being overrated by the national media a little bit the past couple of years. I think the E8 team overachieved and last year's team was right about what they should have been. But the media was so in love with Craft they overlooked the fact that he was a VERY good facilitator and defender, but not some major NBA talent that could go out and win games on his own. He wasn't surrounded by much last year. Even if you read a bunch of articles, ranking, power rankings from the past couple of years, a lot of them give serious "benefit-of-the-doubt" bump based simply on Craft being on the team and that he's a "winner."

"Allow me a moment to discuss one of my biggest pet peeves: labeling a player a “winner”. Because what happens when your winner starts losing. Isn’t he a “loser”? I mean if you’re fair, he’s a loser. Of course, nobody is so cruel to call an amateur sportsman a loser. That’s part of the reason why the winner label is just a lazy feel-good thing to explain something that has a less-mystical explanation. It all seems so arbitrary, too. Like, why isn’t Cleanthony Early called a winner? He’s won 52 of 61 games during his career, been to a Final Four, and was part of a team that beat Ohio State while the guy most-often labeled a winner shot 2-of-12 from the field.I’ll leave it as an exercise for the user to ponder the answer to that question, but I will say I have some sympathy for Aaron Craft. He didn’t ask to be labeled a winner, a label which is largely dependent on what his other four teammates contribute, what the five guys on the other team do, what three officials do, and what a fair amount of luck does"

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/web...view_1_24_1_30

Cdizzle, how can you make so much sense at times and so little at others?

Good post here!

[Ricardo del Rio]

#19 Jay Wright, Villanova

[ShockTalk]

#18 Steve Fisher SDSU.

[AndShock]

Marshall will be a spot or two lower than he should be because ******* certainly left Marshall off his ballot.

[wufan]

I think I agree. They were in the E8 2 years ago. I think Matta is a victim here of his team being overrated by the national media a little bit the past couple of years. I think the E8 team overachieved and last year's team was right about what they should have been. But the media was so in love with Craft they overlooked the fact that he was a VERY good facilitator and defender, but not some major NBA talent that could go out and win games on his own. He wasn't surrounded by much last year. Even if you read a bunch of articles, ranking, power rankings from the past couple of years, a lot of them give serious "benefit-of-the-doubt" bump based simply on Craft being on the team and that he's a "winner."

"Allow me a moment to discuss one of my biggest pet peeves: labeling a player a “winner”. Because what happens when your winner starts losing. Isn’t he a “loser”? I mean if you’re fair, he’s a loser. Of course, nobody is so cruel to call an amateur sportsman a loser. That’s part of the reason why the winner label is just a lazy feel-good thing to explain something that has a less-mystical explanation. It all seems so arbitrary, too. Like, why isn’t Cleanthony Early called a winner? He’s won 52 of 61 games during his career, been to a Final Four, and was part of a team that beat Ohio State while the guy most-often labeled a winner shot 2-of-12 from the field.I’ll leave it as an exercise for the user to ponder the answer to that question, but I will say I have some sympathy for Aaron Craft. He didn’t ask to be labeled a winner, a label which is largely dependent on what his other four teammates contribute, what the five guys on the other team do, what three officials do, and what a fair amount of luck does"

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/web...view_1_24_1_30

I think you were using Early's regular season numbers, but Early was actually 65-10, as is VanVleet. Baker is 51-3.

[Steeleshocker]

I think you were using Early's regular season numbers, but Early was actually 65-10, as is VanVleet. Baker is 51-3.

He was quoting the kenpom blog that he linked to.

[Ricardo del Rio]

#17 Mark Few, Gonzaga

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

#17 Mark Few, Gonzaga

Too low. There are not 16 coaches that deserve to be ahead of Mark.

NCAA Seeding the last 13 years: 8, 1, 7, 11, 8, 4 , 7, 10, 3, 3, 2, 9, 6

That is a top 15 resume, probably top 10 when you factor in that he is doing it at Gonzaga.

[Cdizzle]

Too low. There are not 16 coaches that deserve to be ahead of Mark.

NCAA Seeding the last 13 years: 8, 1, 7, 11, 8, 4 , 7, 10, 3, 3, 2, 9, 6

That is a top 15 resume, probably top 10 when you factor in that he is doing it at Gonzaga.

Since you've already looked up the brackets, do you happen to have the results for each year? I think Few's lack of splashy tournament run probably hurt him. I think he's probably in the right group of coaches but perhaps a little low in that group, we'll have to see who they put above him.