2014-15 Schedule

[shox1989]

love how we disrespect our MVC peers...we used to be cupcakes not too long ago...so I think we should all appreciate where we were and where we are now...I understand the Valley is not on a Marshall team coached level...but we really shouldnt throw our Valley brethren under the bus so quickly...its fine if the outside world has their opinion...but for us to say it is kinda harsh...

I just wish they would start spending more on their basketball programs. Other than Bradley, none of the other Valley schools are spending like they think basketball should be a priority. WSU gets labeled as a mid-major because our fellow Valley schools (other than Bradley) have mid-major type budgets. Cu was the only other Valley school that was in the same ballpark as WSU and they are gone. The other schools need to step up their commitment to basketball quickly or WSU should be gone too.

[shox1989]

$22,676,172	Wichita State	Shockers	Wichita, KS	Charles Koch Arena	Gregg Marshall (since 2007)
$21,221,264	So. Illinois	Salukis	Carbondale, IL	SIU Arena	Barry Hinson (since 2012)
$19,567,196	Illinois St	Redbirds	Normal, IL	Redbird Arena	Dan Muller (since 2012)
$16,120,104	Drake	Bulldogs	Des Moines, IA	Knapp Center	Ray Giacoletti (since 2013)
$15,126,054	Missouri St	Bears	Springfield, MO	JQH Arena	Paul Lusk (since 2011)
$14,487,768	Northern Iowa	Panthers	Cedar Falls, IA	McLeod Center	Ben Jacobson (since 2006)
$13,646,628	Bradley	Braves	Peoria, IL	Carver Arena	Geno Ford (since 2011)
$12,508,656	Loyola (Chi)	Ramblers	Chicago, IL	Joseph Gentile Center	Porter Moser (since 2011)
$11,685,797	Indiana St	Sycamores	Terre Haute, IN	Hulman Center	Greg Lansing (since 2010)
$10,456,637	Evansville	Aces	Evansville, IN	Ford Center	Marty Simmons (since 2007)

The Shockers total athletic budget is greater than any other Valley school even though WSU doesn't have football. WSU is spending twice as much on athletics as Indy St does and they have football. Most Valley schools just aren't in the same ballpark as WSU. http://www.bbstate.com/info/teams-budget/_/VALLEY

[shox1989]

Basketball expenditures only: http://www.bbstate.com/info/teams-hoopsbudget

Team	Rank	Basketball budget		% of total athl. Budget
WSU	62	$5,369,577		24%
BU	91	$3,810,668		28%
DRAKE	122	$2,555,938		16%
UNI	132	$2,397,995		17%
ILS	133	$2,388,774		12%
Loyola	138	$2,364,370		19%
Evansville	141	$2,254,434		22%
MO. St	151	$2,105,340		14%
Ind. St	191	$1,695,685		15%
SIU	225	$1,479,351		7%

[shox1989]

No Valley school should be spending less than $2 million and they all should be striving to spend more than $3 million on basketball. To be ranked in the top 100 of division 1 college basketball expenditures you have to spend over $3,250,000. All Valley schools should strive to be in the top 100. It would be nice if the conference would make that a requirement to remain a member. If the Valley wants to get back to multiple bids and to be on the right side of the upcoming split in college basketball this kind of commitment just has to happen.

[wufan]

Despite how bad our Valley brethren were last year, nearly every team is trending up. Bradley signed a monster recruiting class!

[AZ Shocker]

Despite how bad our Valley brethren were last year, nearly every team is trending up. Bradley signed a monster recruiting class!

That's great and all...but the national perception is and has not been very good to the Valley. Wichita St. really deserves to play in a more socially recognized and respected conference. I'll say it 'til I'm blue in the face. C'mon AAC....bring us in!!!!!!

[FlyingWheat]

That's great and all...but the national perception is and has not been very good to the Valley. Wichita St. really deserves to play in a more socially recognized and respected conference. I'll say it 'til I'm blue in the face. C'mon AAC....bring us in!!!!!!

Agreed. The difference between where we're at and where the rest of the valley is so great that even if everyone improves next year, we'll still be at a loss. I sure hope 2014 MVC has more than one other RPI 100 team...

Edit: that sounds incredibly cocky, until you look at how assaulted we were last year by playing in the valley and the effect it had on our RPI.

[shox1989]

That's great and all...but the national perception is and has not been very good to the Valley. Wichita St. really deserves to play in a more socially recognized and respected conference. I'll say it 'til I'm blue in the face. C'mon AAC....bring us in!!!!!!

If the Shockers were in the AAC they would already be in the top half of that conference in basketball expenditures. I would assume that if they did actually move to the AAC the WSU basketball budget would go up if for no other reason than the increased revenue from the AAC TV package. http://www.bbstate.com/info/teams-hoopsbudget

Rank	Team		Basketball Budget
13	MEMPHIS		$8,457,959
24	UCONN		$7,293,895
31	SMU		$6,582,998
48	Cincy		$6,172,290
62	WSU		$5,369,577
75	Rutgers		$4,663,032
78	So Florida		$4,399,051
86	Temple		$4,125,712
90	Tulsa		$3,920,631
107	Central Florida		$2,843,388
119	Houston		$2,598,898

[shox1989]

Some have mentioned the Shockers moving to the A-10. Besides the geographical problems, WSU already has a bigger budget than any of those many teams. The A10 Tv games are on NBCSN and CBSSN. Not very desirable. The more I look at it the more I dislike the idea of going to the A-10. http://www.bbstate.com/info/teams-hoopsbudget

Rank	Team	Budget
62	WSU	$5,369,577
70	VCU	$5,052,379
88	Dayton	$3,985,079
93	Fordham	$3,563,735
94	Duquesne	$3,551,737
97	St. Joes	$3,379,619
98	St. Louis	$3,309,395
99	UMASS	$3,266,120
102	GWU	$3,107,005
103	GeoMason	$3,010,170
110	Rhode Island	$2,784,810
111	LaSalle	$2,782,264
128	St. Bonnies	$2,495,445

On a positive note for the A-10 their budgets are where I would like to see the Valley teams be. 10 teams over 3 million. The bottom 3 are lower than I like, but they still are way above the bottom teams in the Valley.

[WSUwatcher]

Basketball expenditures only: http://www.bbstate.com/info/teams-hoopsbudget

Team	Rank	Basketball budget		% of total athl. Budget
WSU	62	$5,369,577		24%
BU	91	$3,810,668		28%
DRAKE	122	$2,555,938		16%
UNI	132	$2,397,995		17%
ILS	133	$2,388,774		12%
Loyola	138	$2,364,370		19%
Evansville	141	$2,254,434		22%
MO. St	151	$2,105,340		14%
Ind. St	191	$1,695,685		15%
SIU	225	$1,479,351		7%

Interesting percentages in your table, 1989 -- not too hard to guess which schools have football and at what level they play.

The lack of football and corresponding emphasis on hoop dollars could also work to the advantage of WSU in a stepped-up league like the AAC where other schools do play football, because the Shocks could devote a higher budget proportion to their own marquee sport, and thus compensate for not necessarily spending as much on athletics in total.

[shox1989]

For curiosity sake I decided to see where WSU would fit in the all powerful "major" nBE. WSU would already be ahead of all of the expansion teams (including Cu). http://www.bbstate.com/info/teams-hoopsbudget

Rank	Team	Basketball Budget
6	Marquette	$10,726,622
10	Georgetown	$ 9,612,945
21	Villanova	$ 7,399,471
22	St Johns	$ 7,390,398
30	Seton Hall	$ 6,782,187
38	DePaul	$ 6,364,140
49	Providence	$ 6,090,183
62	WSU	$ 5,369,577
68	Creighton	$ 5,255,770
81	Xavier	$ 4,346,173
83	Butler	$ 4,282,684

Looking at Marquette having the 6th largest college basketball budget in the nation right now, it does say a lot about what Buzz Williams thinks about the future of the nBE by leaving and going to Virginia Tech (ranked #60 with a budget of $5,458,505-about the same as WSU).

[shox1989]

Just seeing where WSU compares to some of the big college basketball job openings this year: Tennessee #74 $4,856,478 (this one surprised me, I guess the move to
Tulsa wasn't really that big of a step down for Martin afterall).

Missouri #40 $6,351,687 (while a bigger budget than WSU not all that much bigger) and Oregon State #89 $3,929,913 (pretty close to the same budget as Bradley- I am not worried about Marshall going there).

[Play Angry]

I really enjoy seeing these budgets- thanks very much @shox1989:.

A good or great coach can massively overachieve relative to his school's budget. Likewise, a poor coach can certainly underachieve and not capitalize on his school's advantage in resources. This means budget size may not have a super strong correlation to a school's relative performance (e.g. within its conference) over a small sample size or short time horizon.

Over long periods (say 20+ years) where schools typically go through multiple hires and cycle through degrees of rebuilding phases, I would bet that correlation becomes much, much stronger. I think it's also as good an indicator as any for guesstimating future performance (again not for any given year, but for a broad trendline).

The MVC is obviously losing the arms race. I sure hope an escape is in the cards somehow.

[Cdizzle]

I really enjoy seeing these budgets- thanks very much @shox1989.

A good or great coach can massively overachieve relative to his school's budget. Likewise, a poor coach can certainly underachieve and not capitalize on his school's advantage in resources. This means budget size may not have a super strong correlation to a school's relative performance (e.g. within its conference) over a small sample size or short time horizon.

Over long periods (say 20+ years) where schools typically go through multiple hires and cycle through degrees of rebuilding phases, I would bet that correlation becomes much, much stronger. I think it's also as good an indicator as any for guesstimating future performance (again not for any given year, but for a broad trendline).

The MVC is obviously losing the arms race. I sure hope an escape is in the cards somehow.

Perhaps the biggest problem is that most members in the MVC seem to be unaware that an arms race is occurring.

[pogo]

Just seeing where WSU compares to some of the big college basketball job openings this year: Tennessee #74 $4,856,478 (this one surprised me, I guess the move to
Tulsa wasn't really that big of a step down for Martin afterall).

Missouri #40 $6,351,687 (while a bigger budget than WSU not all that much bigger) and Oregon State #89 $3,929,913 (pretty close to the same budget as Bradley- I am not worried about Marshall going there).

Not to nit pick but Cuonzo went to Cal and Haith went to Tulsa.