New Assistant?

[jdshock]

It's hard to believe it would not be an NCAA violation to hire the dad after he has made the very public announcement; WHICHEVER UNIVERSITY GIVES ME A JOB, MY 3 - FIVE STAR BASKETBALL PLAYING SONS WILL COME PLAY FOR YOUR BASKETBALL PROGRAM. After all, haven't programs been placed on probation in the past for setting-up parents with sweet deals as a reward for getting their star basketball playing son to sign with said program. If I was a head coach, I'd stay as far away from that dad, and his deal, as I possibly could.

That's an interesting question. I do know Chalmers'dad was hired and the chickenhawks never got in trouble for that. Wookie and SoW appear to not be violating any rules. I think it's different if the parent appears to be a decent coach. I dunno. As someone else stated, though, it definitely couldn't be in a contract. I'm sure a quid pro quo type arrangement would not be overlooked.

Edit:by decent I mean a reasonable hire.

[Shock Therapy]

It's hard to believe it would not be an NCAA violation to hire the dad after he has made the very public announcement; WHICHEVER UNIVERSITY GIVES ME A JOB, MY 3 - FIVE STAR BASKETBALL PLAYING SONS WILL COME PLAY FOR YOUR BASKETBALL PROGRAM. After all, haven't programs been placed on probation in the past for setting-up parents with sweet deals as a reward for getting their star basketball playing son to sign with said program. If I was a head coach, I'd stay as far away from that dad, and his deal, as I possibly could.

It's a grey area. I believe that it's kosher so long as it's a plausible hire, meaning the dad has coaching experience and is qualified for the job.

[WuShock16]

It's hard to believe it would not be an NCAA violation to hire the dad after he has made the very public announcement; WHICHEVER UNIVERSITY GIVES ME A JOB, MY 3 - FIVE STAR BASKETBALL PLAYING SONS WILL COME PLAY FOR YOUR BASKETBALL PROGRAM. After all, haven't programs been placed on probation in the past for setting-up parents with sweet deals as a reward for getting their star basketball playing son to sign with said program. If I was a head coach, I'd stay as far away from that dad, and his deal, as I possibly could.

I think there is a difference between an assistant coach position and a support position (DOBO, video coordinator, whatever). I know that it is allowed to hire assistant coaches who have ties to recruits...hence why we were able to hire Steve Forbes and still be able to recruit Tevin Glass, who played for Forbes two seasons ago. It is NOT allowed to hire someone in a support position without staying away from his recruit contacts for a certain period of time. I would imagine that it is the same principle with parents. I don't think it would be illegal for anyone to hire this guy.....shady as hell, but not illegal.

[WuShock16]

This rule also popped up in the last five years or so...before Ronnie Chalmers was hired at KU as DOBO (I believe that was his position).

[The Mad Hatter]

I think there is a difference between an assistant coach position and a support position (DOBO, video coordinator, whatever). I know that it is allowed to hire assistant coaches who have ties to recruits...hence why we were able to hire Steve Forbes and still be able to recruit Tevin Glass, who played for Forbes two seasons ago. It is NOT allowed to hire someone in a support position without staying away from his recruit contacts for a certain period of time. I would imagine that it is the same principle with parents. I don't think it would be illegal for anyone to hire this guy.....shady as hell, but not illegal.

I think this is the correct interpretation. The major factor is whether you are being hired to a position that is allowed to recruit, since hiring a parent for a non-coaching position violates the non-recruiting requirements of those jobs.

[shockmonster]

This is ridiculous. If you don't know Gregg better than this. He isn't going to hire anyone unless he is impressed with what the coach can do. He isn't going to hire someone just for the kids. If he can't coach, I can't believe that he would hire them. But obviously, recruiting connections are important and this guy has some real nice connections. Whoever he hires will still have to be a good hire in his own right, not a truck driver, etc. hired off of the street.

[pogo]

At first glance I would distance myself from this guy but looking at it again if the guy has a credible background in coaching and he is someone the other asst coaches like and the guy wants to learn the ropes I would not have a problem in giving him consideration. The guy would probably be able to keep a tight rein on the boys as well.

[shock]

First off, the guy is a product of his sons. All of his accomplishments have come on the backs of his sons. However, he has coached them to be who they are, so it is what it is.

[WSUwatcher]

Whoever he hires will still have to be a good hire in his own right, not a truck driver, etc.

Interesting choice of words, monster. Remember Larry Brown's old buddy Ed Manning? He spent some time driving a truck before taking a coaching job with his son Danny's college team in Lawrence.

[Kung Wu]

First off, the guy is a product of his sons. All of his accomplishments have come on the backs of his sons. However, he has coached them to be who they are, so it is what it is.

Uhhh ... except that:

1) He won the Tennessee State Championship,

2) That team also obtained a top 7 and top 8 ranking in the country,

3) That same year his team went undefeated which has only happened for a Memphis team one other time,

4) He played college ball before his kids were born,

And he achieved this in 2005/2006, in his fifth season, well before any of his kids were near high school age, and they definitely weren't on his roster.

[Aargh]

The interesting thing would be if a bidding war broke out and went public. Would the NCAA have to investigate? Or is it legal (by NCAA standards) to effectively bid for 5 star recruits?

[1972Shocker]

This will indeed be interesting to follow. Dad seems to have the pedigree and experience to qualify for just about any collegiate coaching staff.

What makes this situation so unique is it's My Three Sons plus Dad, unlike Fred MacMurray, doesn't wear sweaters, doesn't smoke a pipe, and is not shy about shouting out to the world exactly what he is doing, why he is doing it and what he is offering to prospective employers.

Considering the past precedents from My One Son or from My AAU Stepsons I'm not sure the NCAA can really do much about it.

[WSUwatcher]

Uhhh ... except that:

1) He won the Tennessee State Championship,

2) That team also obtained a top 7 and top 8 ranking in the country,

3) That same year his team went undefeated which has only happened for a Memphis team one other time,

4) He played college ball before his kids were born,

And he achieved this in 2005/2006, in his fifth season, well before any of his kids were near high school age, and they definitely weren't on his roster.

Good points, KW. He's certainly earned his promotion, and he's proven his qualifications, independent of his sons. But the explicitness of his pitch is a little unseemly, and he could probably have been just as potentially coveted without saying a word.

[60Shock]

Good points, KW. He's certainly earned his promotion, and he's proven his qualifications, independent of his sons. But the explicitness of his pitch is a little unseemly, and he could probably have been just as potentially coveted without saying a word.

Good point, WSUwatcher.

Concerning his comment - It is not always necessary to express the obvious, that being 'the perhaps likely, but no way guaranteed, possibility' where his sons will play.

[pogo]

Good points, KW. He's certainly earned his promotion, and he's proven his qualifications, independent of his sons. But the explicitness of his pitch is a little unseemly, and he could probably have been just as potentially coveted without saying a word.

Sometimes leaving the obvious unsaid is the best tact.