OFFICIAL: Selection Sunday Thread

[jdmee]

Just to calm the nerves I looked at each of the top seeds in our bracket and the RPIs of some of their losses.

All these teams lost to a team with a worse RPI than the 5th place team in the Valley ISUr (134)

K State: 88 WVa, 151 Charlotte, 205 No Colorado
Kentucky: 140 S Carolina, 77 Arkansas, 83 LSU
Michigan: 151 Charlotte, 102 Indiana, 56 Iowa
Duke: 136 Notre Dame, 113 W Forest, 79 Clemson
UMass: 164 George Mason, 89 St Bonnies, 75 Richmond
St Louis: WSU, 188 Duquesne, 89 St Bonnies

Texas has losses to someone worse than 4th in the Valley plus finished 3rd in the CBI
Texas: 31 BYU, 121 Texas Tech

Anybody want to argue that we are a worse team than Memphis?
Louisville: 2x 37 Memphis.

Yes, it is a tough draw. Yes, it has teams with the big names. No, it is not a region we have no chance in. ONE GAME AT A TIME. WE CAN DO THIS.

[DUShock]

5 Teams that got screwed: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/ncaa...wichita-state/

Guess who is #1?

Go Shocks!

[kcshocker11]

does anyone think KSU could beat Kentucky?

I do

[kcshocker11]

Anyone notice-Tulsa, NCC, SLU, Tn, BYU all in the tournament. Who says we didnt play anyone

[Play Angry]

Anyone have a list of the Selection Committee Members? Want to see the group that Wellman represents.

He is the soon to be fired AD at Wake Forest who hired his groomsman and best friend Bzdelik.

[ShockerPrez]

5 Teams that got screwed: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/ncaa...wichita-state/

Guess who is #1?

Go Shocks!

Off subject, but what happened to Haws being the be all end all of that BYU team? Now Collinsworth is their star player?

[jocoshock]

Anyone notice-Tulsa, NCC, SLU, Tn, BYU all in the tournament. Who says we didnt play anyone

Ha. They are saying we Only five teams.

[Slam21]

QUOTE=Slam21;477755]I understand my presence here is not totally welcome, but I will continue to support WS outside of UK. Best of luck.

Thanks for the support. I'm not saying your presence isn't welcome, cause I love meeting fans of other teams, but it's the UL-UK rivalry crap that no one here wants to listen to and using the term "mid-major" isn't gonna win many friends either.

But anyways, I don't watch much of the SEC so I don't have a deep knowledge of UK; would you consider any of the wildcat players as a defensive stopper or who do you think matches up best on a player like Earlyffrom WSU? Also, which (if any) of the freshmen hyped as one and done do you think might stay for a sophomore season?[/QUOTE]

UK does not have a defensive stopper and our lagging team defense was a product of starting 5 frosh. It has improved a great deal and UK is at its best when WCS or Randle are blocking shots and causing fast break opportunities. If you had watched the Florida game you would have seen several instances with a guard down low guarding a Patric Young on the block and getting scored on. We do have a tendency to not switch well and many times mismatches occur that get no weak side help. UK's D is vastly improved, but still has some holes.

Disclaimer: All UK frosh could use another year.

That said, Dakari Johnson and Marcus Lee will return. Harrison twins are 50-50, but as of late, look like they may be returning. Poy should definitely return but no idea if will. Randle, WCS, and Young have all said to be locks to leave.

[im4wsu]

Assuming the top seed wins each game, the following table shows the RPI (March 10 NCAA site) of each team's opponent after the first round. I omitted the first round of 64 because of the ridiculously high RPIs of some of the teams would too greatly distort the totals.

Based on this, Wichita State would play Kentucky (19), Louisville (24), Michigan (9), Arizona (1) and Florida (2).

The #1 seeds have the following totals

RPI Rank	NAME	Seed	RD of 32	RD of 16	Rd of 8	RD of 4	Rd of 2	Total
1	Arizona	1	16	13	6	4	2	41
4	Wichita St.	1	19	24	9	1	2	55
2	Florida	1	33	21	3	12	1	70
12	Virginia	1	36	26	5	2	1	70

Here is all 32 teams advancing to the round of 32

RPI Rank	NAME	Seed	RD of 32	RD of 16	Rd of 8	RD of 4	Rd of 2	Total
32	Baylor	6	8	6	1	4	2	21
28	Oregon	7	6	8	1	4	2	21
17	Massachusetts	6	7	9	4	1	2	23
31	Texas	7	9	7	4	1	2	23
18	Gonzaga	8	1	13	6	4	2	26
27	Oklahoma	5	13	1	6	4	2	26
16	New Mexico	7	3	11	2	12	1	29
23	Ohio St.	6	11	3	2	12	1	29
22	North Carolina	6	10	5	12	2	1	30
25	UConn	7	5	10	12	2	1	30
21	UCLA	4	14	2	3	12	1	32
7	Duke	3	17	9	4	1	2	33
26	Michigan St.	4	15	12	5	2	1	35
24	Louisville	4	20	4	9	1	2	36
33	Colorado	8	2	21	3	12	1	39
14	VCU	5	21	2	3	12	1	39
19	Kentucky	8	4	24	9	1	2	40
20	Saint Louis	5	24	4	9	1	2	40
13	San Diego St.	4	27	1	6	4	2	40
1	Arizona	1	16	13	6	4	2	41
11	Syracuse	3	23	3	2	12	1	41
10	Iowa St.	3	22	5	12	2	1	42
3	Kansas	2	16	11	2	12	1	42
6	Wisconsin	2	28	8	1	4	2	43
8	Creighton	3	32	6	1	4	2	45
9	Michigan	2	31	7	4	1	2	45
15	Cincinnati	5	26	12	5	2	1	46
36	Memphis	8	12	26	5	2	1	46
5	Villanova	2	25	10	12	2	1	50
4	Wichita St.	1	19	24	9	1	2	55
2	Florida	1	33	21	3	12	1	70
12	Virginia	1	36	26	5	2	1	70

[jdmee]

5 Teams that got screwed: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/ncaa...wichita-state/

Guess who is #1?

Go Shocks!

As the 3rd #1 seed WSUs bracket includes:
the #1 - 3,4,7,8,9,12 and 13 seeds (7)
the #2 - 2,5,14 seeds
the #3 - 6 and 15 seeds
the #4 - 10,11 and 16 seeds

AZ has
0 #1, 4 #2, 6 #3 and 5 #4.

FL has 4 #1, 3 #2, 4 #3 and 4 #4

VA has 4#1 (2, 5, 6 and 16)
5 #2, 3 #3 and 3 #4s


Naah they didn't stack the deck.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

I guess I'm surprised a little by some of the reactions to our region. Sure it was a tough draw, but did anyone expect the committee to give us an easy path to the FF? Despite the fact we did not intend to schedule light, and despite the fact our schedule does not accurately reflect the extent of WSU's ability, the fact remains that our schedule is light compared to the other top teams. I think the committee wanted us to show that we can beat the best.

In a way, they did us a favor. With the path we have to take, no one is going to question our schedule, our record, or our season after we cut down the nets in Dallas. The committee just handed us the ability to quiet our critics.

And regarding the teams in our region, do we seriously have people who are fearing UK and UL? We can handle UK. I'm sure our guys are salivating at the chance for payback against UL. Remember, we're better than we were last year, and they're probably not as good. And Michigan? Really?

Everyone chill the F out, we got this.

[Ballard]

As a Duke grad/fan from Louisville, KY (I root for UofL second and UK third), I wanted to congratulate the Shocker nation on Wichita State's #1 seeding this year. That being said, I believe the Shockers got absolutely hosed. Some facts (with assumptions) to prove my point:

A. 2nd Round Game: Wichita State's 2nd round opponent (assuming the fav's win) will be UK, which most believe deserved a 6 or higher seed. If UK plays well and easily handles KSU in its opening game, UK will likely be the betting favorite in some Vegas casinos against the Shockers. I would bet that no #1 seed has ever been an underdog to a 2nd round opponent in NCAA history. This isn't to say that the Shockers won't beat the Wildcats (either UK or KSU), because I believe they will - too disciplined, too well-coached, and excellent defense, but it just points out the travesty that WSU even has to play such a difficult opponent in the 2nd round.

B. 3rd Round: UofL fans make a strong argument that UofL was deserving of at least a #2 seed and potentially a #1 seed. Regardless, virtually everyone agrees that they got hosed by their 4 seed placement. An interesting point here is that no team ranked in the Top 4 in the Final pre-tournament rankings has EVER been seeded lower than a 2 seed. I haven't seen the AP Poll, but UofL is ranked #3 in the Coach's Poll. This is strong evidence that UofL got shafted by their low seeding. Because WSU would have to play the Cards in the 3rd Round, it also got hosed.

C. 4th Round: Things don't get much easier in the 4th round with an expected match-up against Duke or Michigan. Although I'll admit my pro-Duke bias, I think it's fair to say that both of these teams are playing much better now than they were back in January.

All in all, Wichita State got a tough, tough draw in the NCAA tourney, which is, so often, determined by particular match-ups. I can't say that I'll be rooting for the Shockers against my homer teams, you better believe that I'll jump on the Shocker bandwagon if Wichita State emerges out of the Midwest Region.

Good Luck Shocker Nation!

[im4wsu]

To crudely test for BCS bias in seedings for the tournament, I again used the NCAA March 10 RPI for each team, converted that to a calculated seed (1-4 RPI get a 1; 5-8 RPI get a 2; etc.) and compared that to the assigned seeding. The BCS conferences had a better seed than calculated by .4 per team; the next 6 conferences had a worse seed by .5; all other conferences, the difference was a worse seed by .1

Teams	Conf	Seeds	RPI	Seed Total	RPI to Seed	Difference	Per Team
6	Atlantic Coast	1 - 12	7 - 62	34	36	-2	-0.3
7	Big 12	2 - 9	3 - 45	41	50	-9	-1.3
4	Big East	2 - 12	5 - 51	28	27	1	0.3
6	Big Ten	2 - 11	6 - 54	36	40	-4	-0.7
6	Pac-12	1 - 10	1 - 42	40	41	-1	-0.2
3	Southeastern	1 - 11	2 -44	20	17	3	1.0
32		1 - 12	1 - 62	199	211	-12	-0.4
4	AAC	4 - 8	15 - 36	24	26	-2	-0.5
6	Atlantic 10	5 - 11	14- 43	46	43	3	0.5
1	Mid-American	14 - 14	84 - 84	14	14	0	0.0
1	Missouri Valley	1 - 1	4 - 4	1	1	0	0.0
2	Mountain West	4 - 7	13 - 16	11	8	3	1.5
2	West Coast	8- 10	18 - 34	18	14	4	2.0
16		1 - 14	4 - 84	114	106	8	0.5
20	Other Conferences	12 - 16	35- 256	287	287	1	0.1

[shockerfan]

As a Duke grad/fan from Louisville, KY (I root for UofL second and UK third), I wanted to congratulate the Shocker nation on Wichita State's #1 seeding this year. That being said, I believe the Shockers got absolutely hosed. Some facts (with assumptions) to prove my point:

A. 2nd Round Game: Wichita State's 2nd round opponent (assuming the fav's win) will be UK, which most believe deserved a 6 or higher seed. If UK plays well and easily handles KSU in its opening game, UK will likely be the betting favorite in some Vegas casinos against the Shockers. I would bet that no #1 seed has ever been an underdog to a 2nd round opponent in NCAA history. This isn't to say that the Shockers won't beat the Wildcats (either UK or KSU), because I believe they will - too disciplined, too well-coached, and excellent defense, but it just points out the travesty that WSU even has to play such a difficult opponent in the 2nd round.

B. 3rd Round: UofL fans make a strong argument that UofL was deserving of at least a #2 seed and potentially a #1 seed. Regardless, virtually everyone agrees that they got hosed by their 4 seed placement. An interesting point here is that no team ranked in the Top 4 in the Final pre-tournament rankings has EVER been seeded lower than a 2 seed. I haven't seen the AP Poll, but UofL is ranked #3 in the Coach's Poll. This is strong evidence that UofL got shafted by their low seeding. Because WSU would have to play the Cards in the 3rd Round, it also got hosed.

C. 4th Round: Things don't get much easier in the 4th round with an expected match-up against Duke or Michigan. Although I'll admit my pro-Duke bias, I think it's fair to say that both of these teams are playing much better now than they were back in January.

All in all, Wichita State got a tough, tough draw in the NCAA tourney, which is, so often, determined by particular match-ups. I can't say that I'll be rooting for the Shockers against my homer teams, you better believe that I'll jump on the Shocker bandwagon if Wichita State emerges out of the Midwest Region.

Good Luck Shocker Nation!

Great post. Hard to argue with many of your points. You pretty much nailed it. Thanks and good luck to your teams except when they play Wichita State!

[jdshock]

Everyone always says the tournament is about matchups. I'm not smart enough to do that analysis. Randle makes me nervous, but I think that UK is not a good enough /team/ to get to the sweet sixteen. I think Louisville is not as good as last year. I think we are better than last year. That makes me more confident.

From there, who knows. Duke or Michigan seems likely. Michigan looked really good at the start of the Big Ten championship game. Jabari Parker makes me a little nervous.

I think that I definitely fall into the trap of looking at the name on the jersey, though. I watch every WSU game, but not that much college basketball aside from that, so I think I sometimes forget just how good we are. Luckily, our players are not intimidated.