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[jocoshock]

He will have only lost if those ineligible players don't eventually get eligible at ISU.

They have another player, Lofton, who may be in a similar situation.

and Hawkins....????

[im4wsu]

and Hawkins....????

Here's the CBS article:

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Illinois St. frosh MiKyle McIntosh ruled non-qualifier by NCAA

By Jeff Borzello | College Basketball Writer

October 3, 2013 11:33 am CT


Illinois State freshman MIKyle McIntosh has been deemed a non-qualifier by the NCAA and will have to sit out this season, sources told CBSSports.com.
McIntosh, a 6-foot-6 small forward from Canada, is not allowed to play or practice for the Redbirds this year. He will have four years to play beginning in the 2014-15 campaign.
McIntosh played for 22 Feet Academy (Ky.) last season, but also attended Christian Faith Center Academy (N.C.) in the past. Christian Faith, run by Ro Russell, is the same high school that Xavier Rathan-Mayes attended before Huntington Prep (W.Va.). Rathan-Mayes was ruled a non-qualifier at Florida State this season.
This is a tough loss for Illinois State, which is still without suspended Daishon Knight and also saw freshman Deontae Hawkins ruled ineligible. Head coach Dan Muller brings back just two players who saw extended minutes last season: guards Nick Zeisloft and Kaza Keane.
McIntosh was expected to make an immediate impact, as schools like UCLA and Miami – and even Kentucky – were interested at one point in his recruitment.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/23984869/illinois-st-frosh-mikyle-mcintosh-ruled-nonqualifier-by-ncaa

[DistrictBaller]

Which is probably why Shaka picked them...

Yep. Likely true.

Usually want a cupcake for a home-opener. Last year was FGCU for us, but that ended up being a great game in the end come March.

[Aargh]

Neither Hwkins nor McIntosh can receive financial aid this yer, nd cannot get any assistance with academics other than what is available to any student (no athletic department tutors). KU had a couple guys from Canada in that situation who dropped out because they couldn't afford to pay for the year themselves.

Is there anyone who thinks Hawkins can manage to make grades if he isn't spoon fed?

[MoValley John]

Neither Hwkins nor McIntosh can receive financial aid this yer, nd cannot get any assistance with academics other than what is available to any student (no athletic department tutors). KU had a couple guys from Canada in that situation who dropped out because they couldn't afford to pay for the year themselves.

Is there anyone who thinks Hawkins can manage to make grades if he isn't spoon fed?

I will reply with my best RDR posting impersonation.

Hawkins will make grades. He will have help. Both academically and financially. Redbirds will not self report. That is all.

[ShockerFever]

This is just downright comical now. Couldn't happen to a more deserving program and fanbase.

Karma's a b*tch, Redturds.

[RoyalShock]

Neither Hwkins nor McIntosh can receive financial aid this yer, nd cannot get any assistance with academics other than what is available to any student (no athletic department tutors). KU had a couple guys from Canada in that situation who dropped out because they couldn't afford to pay for the year themselves.

Is there anyone who thinks Hawkins can manage to make grades if he isn't spoon fed?

Actually, I believe one of the articles said that McIntosh can receive financial aid this year.

[SubGod22]

And word was that Hawkins can receive academic help.

[Aargh]

NCAA rules on non-qualifiers

Once certified by the NCAA Clearinghouse, what is the difference between a qualifier and a non-qualifier?
Qualifier:
Eligible for athletically related financial aid, practice and competition during your first year of enrollment at a NCAA member institution.
You have 5 years to play 4 seasons in your sport if you maintain your eligibility from year to year.

Non-qualifier:
Ineligible for athletically-related financial aid, practice and competition during your first year at a NCAA member institution.
You have 4 years to play 3 seasons in your sport if you maintain your eligibility from year to year.*
* Non-qualifiers have the ability to gain back a year of eligibility if they complete at least 80 percent of their degree prior to the beginning of their fifth year of college.

A non-qualifier gets NOTHING that isn't avilable to every student at the school. IlSU has so many issues with the NCAA right now that they're likely to be watched fairly closely.

Hawkins and McIntosh may have better info on what academic aid is available to all students than the average student there gets. That's legal. If there are tutors paid by the athletic department, Hawkins and McIntosh should not be allowed to use those tutors, even if those tutors are not specifically paid by the athletic department for their work with non-qualifiers.

[Rlh04d]

Dumpster fire.

Illinois State might be fine long term with the guys they've brought in, but I doubt Muller lasts long enough to see it.

[SubGod22]

NCAA rules on non-qualifiers


A non-qualifier gets NOTHING that isn't avilable to every student at the school. IlSU has so many issues with the NCAA right now that they're likely to be watched fairly closely.

Hawkins and McIntosh may have better info on what academic aid is available to all students than the average student there gets. That's legal. If there are tutors paid by the athletic department, Hawkins and McIntosh should not be allowed to use those tutors, even if those tutors are not specifically paid by the athletic department for their work with non-qualifiers.

And the NCAA always goes by the letter of the law. There have been numerous quotes from ISU that they can still assist Hawkins. Maybe they didn't understand the rules and their compliance person doesn't know the rules or told them wrong. But I'm pretty sure the compliance people were talked to before any public comments were made. Which means I'm sure they'd talked to the NCAA before any public comments were made.

[ShockTalk]

And the NCAA always goes by the letter of the law. There have been numerous quotes from ISU that they can still assist Hawkins. Maybe they didn't understand the rules and their compliance person doesn't know the rules or told them wrong. But I'm pretty sure the compliance people were talked to before any public comments were made. Which means I'm sure they'd talked to the NCAA before any public comments were made.

Sub, did the articles say specifically athletic-funded aid or just financial aid? Financial aid can come in the form of a Pell Grant.

[SubGod22]

Sub, did the articles say specifically athletic-funded aid or just financial aid? Financial aid can come in the form of a Pell Grant.

What I remember reading, Muller said that he would have the same access to academic help as the rest of the team. The only restrictions were he couldn't practice with the team. I'd have to try and find it, but I also thought that the NCAA was going to let them use the scholarship to allow him to attend, but I could be wrong on that. I may try to find time to go back to the ISU board and see if I can find the articles.

[ShockTalk]

Sub, here's the article and the NCAA did give partial relief.

[WSUwatcher]

Regardless of our local squabbles here about financial aid in not-so-Normal, the bottom line is that Illinois State's basketball program is in disarray at this point. They need to do a lot of improving and a lot of stabilizing to become an asset to Valley (and thus WSU) once again.