Financial Metrics: 3G and WSU versus the MVC

[SpanglerFan316]

Look at "The New Arms Race" in http://espn.go.com/college-football/...ecession-proof

Here's a sample of some current football-related construction projects going on at notable BCS schools:
Arizona: In the midst of a $378 million north end zone expansion at Arizona Stadium that will add about 7,000 seats.
Arkansas: Recently broke ground on a new, $35 million football operations center.
Baylor: In beginning stages of building new stadium at estimated cost of $250 million.
Boise State: Recently broke ground on a new, $22 million football complex.
California: Completely renovating Memorial Stadium at an estimated cost of $321 million. As of April, the school had raised $35 million with a goal of $270 million in donations by summer 2013.
Florida State: Currently raising funds for new indoor practice facility, with hopes of breaking ground this fall.
Iowa: In phase one of a two-part, $57 million plan to build a new practice facility and operations building.
Kansas State: Has embarked on $75 million project to upgrade west side of Bill Snyder Family Stadium.
LSU: Recently approved $100 million expansion of Tiger Stadium, bringing capacity close to 100,000 seats.
Louisville: Has begun fundraising for a $7.5 million, 18,000-foot addition to its football complex.
Michigan State: Installing new $10 million scoreboard at Spartans Stadium that will be largest in the state.
Mississippi State: Expected to open new, $25 million football complex in January.
Nebraska: Finishing a $63.5 million expansion of the east side of Memorial Stadium that will add about 6,000 seats.
Oklahoma State: Construction underway on a $16 million indoor practice facility, plus new outdoor fields that will cost $3 million.
Ohio State: Spending $7 million for new scoreboard and improved sound system and other touches at Ohio Stadium.
Syracuse: Upgrading locker rooms and other team areas at a cost of $5 million.
Tennessee: In final stages of a $45 million new football complex that will contain 145,000 square feet.
TCU: Expected to complete $164 million expansion and renovation to Amon G. Carter Stadium in time for this year's season opener.
USC: Scheduled to open the $70 million, 110,000-square foot John McKay Center this summer; complex includes locker rooms, training areas, football offices and a two-story video board.
Utah: Coaches are working in trailers as a new, $30 million football complex is being built.
Virginia: Planning $13 million indoor practice facility.
Virginia Tech: Has announced plans to build a $20 million indoor practice facility.
Washington: Work is ongoing on a $250 million renovation of Husky Stadium.
Wisconsin: In beginning stages of an $86 million upgrade to locker rooms, weight training and academic areas at Camp Randall Stadium, which also got new turf this summer.
-- Brian Bennett

[ShockerInKC]

"But yea back to your question, most football stadiums being built today are anywhere from $350,000,000 to $1,000,000,000." http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...2173735AA6m9Ap

Wsu prez J Bardo said stadium for wsu would be $60 million.

[SHOCKvalue]

"But yea back to your question, most football stadiums being built today are anywhere from $350,000,000 to $1,000,000,000." http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...2173735AA6m9Ap

Well by all means, go through life using "yahoo answers" as your source. Good luck with that and all! LOL!

Not sure if you noticed, but we have a structure just to the east of Koch that was at full capacity as recently as 2006 for the Rolling Stones concert, and holds a pretty good number of people every year for state track. It may not be the prettiest thing around, but a refurb of the press box, addition of field turf, and a repaint of the entire place would cost absolutely nothing similar to what your posted in your little random posting fest.

[SHOCKvalue]

If you want something more similar in scope and expense to what WSU would need to build if for some reason a localized zombie apocalypse destroyed the football stadium we already have, then take a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apogee_Stadium

EDIT: And the school that plays in the stadium above has a smaller annual AD budget/revenue than we do.

[RoyalShock]

If you want something more similar in scope and expense to what WSU would need to build if for some reason a localized zombie apocalypse destroyed the football stadium we already have, then take a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apogee_Stadium

EDIT: And the school that plays in the stadium above has a smaller annual AD budget/revenue than we do.

It won't require a zombie apocalypse, only an execution of Bardo's recently released strategic plan that will eliminate the east side in favor of a parking garage.

[SHOCKvalue]

It won't require a zombie apocalypse, only an execution of Bardo's recently released strategic plan that will eliminate the east side in favor of a parking garage.

The "strategic plan" is a pretty picture put forth by a consultant, likely required very little human labor, and probably cost very little to the end user. It's worth less than a conceptual drawing from an architectural firm, and those are generally nothing but pretty pictures as well. I'm going out on a limb and going to guess that if for some reason Shocker football had a plan of return, the "strategic plan" might get some modifications.

[RoyalShock]

The "strategic plan" is a pretty picture put forth by a consultant, likely required very little human labor, and probably cost very little to the end user. It's worth less than a conceptual drawing from an architectural firm, and those are generally nothing but pretty pictures as well. I'm going out on a limb and going to guess that if for some reason Shocker football had a plan of return, the "strategic plan" might get some modifications.

If Bardo is serious about a parking garage, I have no doubt it will get built before a serious discussion of bringing football back. And if there's one thing on campus that doesn't get used and could be easily sacrificed, it's the east side of Cessna Stadium.

[Kung Wu]

It won't require a zombie apocalypse, only an execution of Bardo's recently released strategic plan that will eliminate the east side in favor of a parking garage.

Bardo is trying to increase enrollment by 7,500 students. He did NOT say they wouldn't be zombies.

Note: This double negative moment is brought to you by all your friends at Kung Wu's Smoke Shop, who are NOT puffing on the synthetic marijuana that @Aargh: was talking about because we reformulated it and therefore it's different. And legal.

[WstateU]

[RoyalShock]

Bardo is trying to increase enrollment by 7,500 students. He did NOT say they wouldn't be zombies.

Note: This double negative moment is brought to you buy all your friends at Kung Wu's Smoke Shop, who are NOT puffing on the synthetic marijuana that @Aargh was talking about because we reformulated it and therefore it's different. And legal.

He also didn't say the demolition crew wouldn't be zombies. I see zombies as a much better fit in demolition than academia. I mean, that's just nuts.

(Get it? Academia nuts!)

[Kung Wu]

LOLzers!

[SpanglerFan316]

As always, there is nothing better than the Royal treatment. (Get it? Royal. :applause: )

[SpanglerFan316]

If you want something more similar in scope and expense to what WSU would need to build if for some reason a localized zombie apocalypse destroyed the football stadium we already have, then take a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apogee_Stadium

EDIT: And the school that plays in the stadium above has a smaller annual AD budget/revenue than we do.

From your link:

On October 21, 2008, the UNT SGA announced that in one of the largest turnouts in the school's history, student voters approved a dedicated athletic fee to fund the new stadium. Almost 14 percent of the student body voted, with 2,829 students (58.1%) voting for the increase and 2,038 (41.9%) voting against it. After the election, the cost estimate for the stadium's construction increased by $18 million to $78 million, $38 million more than the 2005 estimate.

[SpanglerFan316]

Ricky Bobby:
1. Cessna Stadium will never be used for WSU (American) football again. It might be used for football (soccer) someday.
2. $78,000,000 is a big part of the $100,000,000 figure you were trying to avoid.
3. Give it up now; Royal is never wrong. :untroubled:
4. Enjoy the success that the volleyball and men's basketball teams bring to WSU.
5. Kumbayah. :devilish:

[fastbow]

Careful guys, you're going to get the Shocker football train going again, and that always leads to someone claiming it would cost $100M to bring back football.

I'll just put this here:

Relatively recognizable schools with D1 FBS football who have overall athletic department revenue and/or a budget lower than football-less WSU:

UTSA
Nevada
Southern Miss
Toledo
Utah State
Bowling Green
North Texas
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana Lafayette

SOURCE: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...ools/finances/

For perspective, I attend UTSA right now, and they manage to cut a lot of football corners WSU CANNOT cut.
1) They have a world-class coach doing it for the love. Seriously. Larry Coker at UTSA makes less than Gregg Marshall. Way less.
2) They have a world-class facility that damn nearly begged them to play there. The Alamo Dome was built for football, and San Antonio has been desperate to get football in there.
3) UTSA is right in the middle of a huge recruiting hotbed.
4) UTSA has twice WSU's enrollment, easily, and was founded in the 1960s.
5) UTSA is part of the UT system. That same UT system has the largest endowment of any public university. They've got cash.
6) UTSA football is the only game in town. A town of 1.3 million.

I can't speak to the rest of the list, but as I always say, UTSA is a terrible comparison to WSU, unless you've built a domed football stadium in Wichita since I left.