2013-14 Schedule

[Ta town]

What? I love what the WSU volleyball program has become -- and the volleybabes are much prettier than our hoopsters -- but if they're in the way of upgrading the basketball schedule, that should be a no-brainer. Schedule the basketball game, and let volleyball work around it, including a change of dates if necessary, instead of the other way around. Or would that be a Title IX violation?

I wonder if WSU will ever do what Bradley and CU did by building a smaller gym for Volleyball and Women's Basketball. Say something between 3,500 and 4,000? Granted I know they had to do something because they rent off site for the men but something like that would be nice for all involved I would think.

[1972Shocker]

That would probably be nice to have, although it would be even nicer to draw 6K to 7K for our VB matches and WBB games in Koch Arena. Yeah, I know that's a pipe dream especially for Wichita State.

I'll have to ask Lambo sometime what he would like such a facility. I'm pretty sure the WBB team would.

OTOH, D.J. Sokol Arena at Creighton, which seats about 3,000 cost $19 million in 2009 and the Rennaissance Center at Bradley, which seats about 4,200 and also houses the entire Bradley athletic department, was a $50 million project completed in 2010.

I don't see Wichita State spending anywhere near that kind of mony, and I am not sure you would need to, when Koch Arena is perfectly functional. But even $5M would be a lot to spend on those sports when you have a facility that works.

[1972Shocker]

What? I love what the WSU volleyball program has become -- and the volleybabes are much prettier than our hoopsters -- but if they're in the way of upgrading the basketball schedule, that should be a no-brainer. Schedule the basketball game, and let volleyball work around it, including a change of dates if necessary, instead of the other way around. Or would that be a Title IX violation?

Depends on what the event is. If it is a single match, that usually can be worked around. However, if the Volleyball team has a home tournament scheduled which is usually just one weekend per year that could be an issue. The VB schedule might conflict and not be able to be adjusted in rare instances but it certainly does not stand in the way of upgrading the overall basketball schedule.

If the basektball team has a quality opponent willing to do a home and home there are a lot of ways to work around conflicts including the possible use of IBA arena or swapping years.

I would think it would be much more common to have conflicts between the men's basketball team and the women's basketball team in scheduling then the volleyball team. Although I have no problem with a men's/women's DH especially on a weekend. In fact, those are not all that unusual.

[WSUwatcher]

Doubleheaders are certainly fine with me, 1972, whether it's women's basketball for the opening act or volleyball -- and I have to believe either would get an attendance bump from preceding a men's basketball game against a big-time opponent.

[1972Shocker]

Doubleheaders are certainly fine with me, 1972, whether it's women's basketball for the opening act or volleyball -- and I have to believe either would get an attendance bump from preceding a men's basketball game against a big-time opponent.

You would think so, but that generally has not been the case. Still I don't think they have a problem moving a VB match or a WBB game earlier or later in the day it they need to.

There isn't much overlap with VB. The VB regular season ends on the Saturday before Thanksgiving. Last year the VB team had 3 matches at home after the MBB season started. Two years ago they only had 2 matches at home after the MBB season started.

If the Shockers happened to host the Valley Volleyball Post-Season Tournament it starts with 2 matches on Thanksgiving day, 2 matches on Friday and the championship match on Saturday. I doubt they would move the championship match because that is usually televised, but you could certainly play a Men's BB game that Saturday evening.

[ShockerFever]

I have also heard we have an agreement to start a home and home in Wichita this season with a BCS school but we are struggling to find a date that works because of scheduling conflicts with the volleyball team. Hopefully we can figure it out and make it happen.

I love the volleyball team but I really hope they really aren't the ones getting in the way of a home and home with a BCS opponent. That should be VERY fixable, if the case.

[GoShockers89]

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[WuDrWu]

So to recap the schedule so far:

Home Games: Davidson, Detroit, two crap games from CBE, Western Kentucky, Oral Roberts, Tennessee (Intrust game)

Road Games: Tulsa

Neutral court games: A two game mix of either Tulsa, BYU and/or DePaul

Am I missing anything?

According to @shocks771: move Detroit back a year. Also, I'm pretty sure you can add Charleston Southern here. Their coach and Gregg know each other and that game is far from an RPI killer.

Home: Charleston Southern, Western Kentucky, Oral Roberts, Buffalo/CBE1, CBE2, Davidson, Tennessee (Intrust)

Road: Tulsa

Neutral: 2 game combo BYU, DePaul, Texas (Kansas City)


Paul says 3 games are yet to be decided, but we don't know his starting point of reference. My list is 10, leaving 3 more openings, if my math is correct.

Still expecting a new major H/H if we can work out the scheduling issue apparently. Based on this article here I will be EXTREMELY disappointed if Doug Elgin can't make that come to fruition. If he comes through, that leaves 1 spot left, one would have to assume for a road game, no?

My (somewhat wild) assumptions would mean (adding 1 exhibition) a season ticket package of 17 home games, 1 Intrust game, 1 EASILY attended road game, 3 EASILY attended neutral court games and 1 yet to be named road tilt, ostensibly a big time match up.

To me at least, if all that ends up as fact (and I'll admit it's less than 50/50 at this point at least) then it's the best schedule I can remember and there is ample opportunity for the most frugal WSU fan to attend and SUPPORT multiple Shocker games.

[WuDrWu]

Taking in all the comments, and again thanks to @tropicalshox: and @shocks771: for their efforts and fact gathering, it would appear that the WKU game is NOT a buy game per se and is an ESPN network game for their tip off marathon, so I would get yourself into a place where you're prepared for a non 7pm start time if I were you.

Certainly works for me.


I kind of forgot last year's VCU game was a part of the same event.

This question seems a bit off, in hindsight.

16. How far will Wichita State fall? The Rams’ opponent in the Tip-Off Marathon, Wichita State, is in a much different position. The Shockers won the Missouri Valley Conference last season, but the five seniors who anchored that team are gone. So Gregg Marshall’s squad is filled with youth this season. And the Rams’ in-your-face-defensive style could be a baptism by fire experience for the Shockers.

[jdmee]

Still expecting a new major H/H if we can work out the scheduling issue apparently. Based on this article here I will be EXTREMELY disappointed if Doug Elgin can't make that come to fruition. If he comes through, that leaves 1 spot left, one would have to assume for a road game, no?

This it the one area where the Wiggins signing might help us. This is a call that can be made "Hey Bill, we'll get you one of our MVC buddies, you name which one you want. You get one of your Big XII buddies, lets meet in KC and let Andrew and Nick's parents enjoy watching both of their boys on the same court together."

[1972Shocker]

This it the one area where the Wiggins signing might help us. This is a call that can be made "Hey Bill, we'll get you one of our MVC buddies, you name which one you want. You get one of your Big XII buddies, lets meet in KC and let Andrew and Nick's parents enjoy watching both of their boys on the same court together."

Careful what you wish for. KU to Elgin. Ok, we'll take Loyola and TCU or Tx Tech can tag along to play the Shocks.

Not sure I want to leave our scheduling in the hands of KU.

[WuDrWu]

I'd like to see us play Oklahoma State. They'll be loaded, a great draw and quality game, for both teams. That's a win all around game.

[wu_shizzle]

I'd like to see us play Oklahoma State. They'll be loaded, a great draw and quality game, for both teams. That's a win all around game.

And a closer drive.

[tropicalshox]

From the WKU board it sounds like our game with them is part of ESPN's 24 hours of hoops or whatever it's called.

[jdmee]

From the WKU board it sounds like our game with them is part of ESPN's 24 hours of hoops or whatever it's called.

ESPN helped WSU with the Western Kentucky game. It will be part of ESPN’s Tip-off Marathon on Nov. 11. The Shockers could sell an ESPN game, as well as a guarantee, to land the Hilltoppers. Last year, games started at midnight, 2 a.m., 4 a.m., 6 a.m. etc. WSU will lobby for one of the more reasonable tips.

“We will probably play at a crazy time, but we’re not going to play at a ridiculous time,” Boatright said. “I think it’s really good get. They’re back-to-back NCAA Tournament participants. We feel pretty confident scheduling them because we feel like they will have success in the Sun Belt.”

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