Start Fred NOW!!!!!!

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By your own definition, if we were to evaluate players based on their merits through their sophomore year, and this doesn't even consider each individual situation, EO shouldn't even have sniffed a scholarship and should have been booted off the team 2 years ago.

I think you're personally attacking Jake White more than anybody has ever done so with Armstead. I think you're teetering on that very fine line for which you complained about when bumping this thread.

You obviously have no idea what factors I base my opinion of a player on. And I will attribute your election of comparing EO and White to disingenuity and/or an attempt at comedy. I have no intentions of attacking Jake White, I only bring him up to illuminate the hypocrisy of those that defend him while letting Malcolm twist in the wind. Calling Jake White a non-factor is a fact, not an attack. He is the epitome of a non-factor on our team this year.


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Re-read what you wrote you moron. If it were up to me I'd ban you. White and Armstead both had some bad games and were fair game up to an extent. The things you said were beyond the pail.

Well it's a good thing it isn't up to you isn't it sparky? Now get back to riding Jake's jock, he is getting lonely I presume.


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Cold has a point – Criticism of MA’s performance was criminal when one looked at his total contribution (I continue to believe that he is upgrade from last year when you look at total contribution / Joe was unbelievable on offense, but couldn’t guard well and he never faced the kind of pressing teams that MA has made fools of).

Criticism of Jake White is warranted if you expect sophomores to be significant contributors (I always thought he needed to redshirt last year so I give him a pass)

With the above said, Jake had his best five minutes as a Shocker in the BB game (when he came in and stayed in 34's grill on every catch). Until Saturday, his actual impact to Shockers winning games had been negligible.

I was wondering when you were gonna fly in here to his aid.

Criminal? Well, the way Armstead was literally giving away games, I'd say he deserved a few slaps alongside the head at the time.

As for your upgrade argument, I'd say Armstead's defense was superior to Ragland's with Joe's offense superior to Armstead's. That's a virtual wash. But with point guards in particular, turnover numbers were a whole different animal. Ragland logged 60 turnovers in 33 games at 27 minutes a game. Armstead also averages 27 min/game and has only played 29 games so far and has already coughed up the ball a team-leading 72 times. For nearly every 2 steals Armstead pickpockets, he gives 1 right back. That's when his defensive advantage almost starts canceling itself out.

I dunno why we can't just agree that Armstead has stepped up his game by playing under control and passing the basketball better. At the time when he was directly contributing to losses, people had the right to question his role and decision-making. It's over now.

So let's just rip Jake White up to make up for it. He's clearly costing us games.

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You obviously have no idea what factors I base my opinion of a player on. And I will attribute your election of comparing EO and White to disingenuity and/or an attempt at comedy. I have no intentions of attacking Jake White, I only bring him up to illuminate the hypocrisy of those that defend him while letting Malcolm twist in the wind. Calling Jake White a non-factor is a fact, not an attack. He is the epitome of a non-factor on our team this year.


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So is it statistical, racial, or the "eye test"? What are your factors? EO certainly wasn't racking up anything worth a statistic his sophomore year and certainly wasn't contributing much except for maybe being a nice practice void to fill up space. Yet now that Jake White isn't producing statistics as a sophomore, he's up for grabs? And by the way, I'm pretty positive White's statistics would smash EO's in his sophomore year out of the water. I can look them up for confirmation if you wish.

You have no intentions of attacking Jake White, yet you do so in your very next post.

It's about time to hop off the hypocrisy train Cold.

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What, no glowing comments about EO and his "potential"? Cold seems to get off the EO bandwagon and on to Malcolm's.
Orupke, White and Armstead have all contributed to the success of this team. Why not show them all some love?

EO is running out of time and frankly is also running out of good will showered on him due to his awesome physical potential. I am frankly discouraged in his trend line at this point. I am not on an Armstead bandwagon, I am simply calling those out that have disrespected one of the biggest contributors to our success this year. Armstead has done things that made me shake my head, but I have perspective, and perspective clearly shows that Armstead is a key contributor to our success. Do you realize that Armstud was the major reason we won the VCU game earlier this year? That just happens to be our key road win as well. Many people probably forgot this. MA has a laundry list of gutty performances, but many on this forum will send him to the firing squad for bouncing a ball off his leg. Imagine if he wasn't one of the best players on our team. Imagine if he was only as good as Jake White? How would he be treated then? *shivers*


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So is it statistical, racial, or the "eye test"? What are your factors? EO certainly wasn't racking up anything worth a statistic his sophomore year and certainly wasn't contributing much except for maybe being a nice practice void to fill up space. Yet now that Jake White isn't producing statistics as a sophomore, he's up for grabs? And by the way, I'm pretty positive White's statistics would smash EO's in his sophomore year out of the water. I can look them up for confirmation if you wish.

You have no intentions of attacking Jake White, yet you do so in your very next post.

It's about time to hop off the hypocrisy train Cold.

Don't use the word hypocrisy unless you fully understand its meaning. Then I would advise that you go reread the first couple pages of this thread and think about what you said while feeling shame.

You aren't still asking me to explain the differences between a player like EO, who if developed, would literally guarantee us a trip to the Final Four and Mr. White are you? I want to get the joke but so far I am lost.


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Well, the way Armstead was literally giving away games, I'd say he deserved a few slaps alongside the head at the time.

You're a dumbass for making this statement - almost on the order of something KC Shox would say. It's a good troll though if that was your intent. Why would that be your intent? We owe MA everything for the success we are having this year. If you're going to troll, why not hit the Jake White supporters, those guys are obviously wrapped around the axle for reasons I cannot fathom.


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I stepped way across the line? Where were you when Malcolm was being hung out to dry? I haven't even begun to say what I think of White's play this year. I have used restraint. Your post though tempts me to remove my restraint.


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You're right Cold. After all, Jake is not anywhere close to being what EO is, possibly the greatess athletic/physical specimen to put on a WSU jersey. 7', 250 lbs with long arms, fast legs, and strong body. Not only that, but EO has a brilliant mind. With all those God-given attributes, I simply don't understand why HCGM continues to play Jake 12 mpg while EO sits on the bench getting 16 mpg and not get those minutes. I mean, if Jake can average 4 ppg, EO would be at least twice as good as that in the same number of minutes. He's taller, faster, stronger. Oh, wait. I guess EO is only averaging 3 ppg playing 30% more time than Jake now. Well, I'm sure with those attributes EO would be twice, maybe three times the rebounder. Ummm, well maybe not. Gee, Jake and EO average almost the same number of rebounds per minute played. How strange. Maybe EO's free throw shooting is better. Opps, not close. Well, EO is very tall with long arms and athletic so he'll shatter WSU's season blocking record. What do ya think? 3, 4, 5 blocks per game?

Gosh, maybe there's more to being a WSU basketball player that being a ripped specimen?

Well, Jake is only a sophmore, so we'll look forward to the time he's a senior and he won't make mistakes or go into funks. ArmStud's a 5th year senior and those things never happen to him.

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You're right Cold. After all, Jake is not anywhere close to being what EO is, possibly the greatess athletic/physical specimen to put on a WSU jersey. 7', 250 lbs with long arms, fast legs, and strong body. Not only that, but EO has a brilliant mind. With all those God-given attributes..

The start of your post sounds like penis-envy to me. I apologize since I was unable to read the rest.

ETA: EO has started more games than I can count. How many has Jake started? Perhaps the coach and I have a different perspective than you on the EO v JW issue...


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You went full retard, man. Never go full retard.

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You went full retard, man. Never go full retard.

Blame it on all the imbeciles that cleaned out the stores in preparation for our impending "super storm" (see thread: http://shockernet.net/forum/showthre...e-the-storm... )

I needed to let off some steam.


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Cold has a point – Criticism of MA’s performance was criminal when one looked at his total contribution (I continue to believe that he is upgrade from last year when you look at total contribution / Joe was unbelievable on offense, but couldn’t guard well and he never faced the kind of pressing teams that MA has made fools of).

Criticism of Jake White is warranted if you expect sophomores to be significant contributors (I always thought he needed to redshirt last year so I give him a pass)

With the above said, Jake had his best five minutes as a Shocker in the BB game (when he came in and stayed in 34's grill on every catch). Until Saturday, his actual impact to Shockers winning games had been negligible.

Tennessee - 20 minutes, 7 points (third on the team). #2 was Armstead at 8 points in 26 minutes.

UNI - 22 minutes, 5 points, 8 rebounds (lead the team).

@ Evansville - 20 minutes, 8 points (3rd on the team), 10 rebounds (1st on the team).

Illinois St - 11 minutes, 11 points, 5 rebounds

Bradley - 17 minutes, 11 points (2nd), 9 rebounds (1st again).

Sorry, Detroit wasn't one of his better stat nights, he just did things that he usually does that don't show up in the stats.

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Tennessee - 20 minutes, 7 points (third on the team). #2 was Armstead at 8 points in 26 minutes.

UNI - 22 minutes, 5 points, 8 rebounds (lead the team).

@ Evansville - 20 minutes, 8 points (3rd on the team), 10 rebounds (1st on the team).

Illinois St - 11 minutes, 11 points, 5 rebounds

Bradley - 17 minutes, 11 points (2nd), 9 rebounds (1st again).

Sorry, Detroit wasn't one of his better stat nights, he just did things that he usually does that don't show up in the stats.

Kindly subtract his two "All-Star" performances where he came in for mop-up minutes after we had already blown out the team. And it is noteworthy that he was one of our top players at Evansville... a game we lost.


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The start of your post sounds like penis-envy to me. I apologize since I was unable to read the rest.

ETA: EO has started more games than I can count. How many has Jake started? Perhaps the coach and I have a different perspective than you on the EO v JW issue...


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I was just repeating what you have told us so may times before about EO and your wisdom of what makes up a WSU basketball player. I was being sarcastic, so if the beginning of my post sounded very familar and that's what you thought of it, it was you who got a rise out of it. I just thought in the past that it was EO you were getting all hot and bothered about. Now I'm not sure. Maybe it was just you, reading you that turned the trick.

By the way, I wonder how many games EO would have started if he wasn't 7', long armed, and couldn't out-leap most every other team's center. Of course, if he was only 6'8", not as long armed, and couldn't leap as well, he probably would never been here at all. At least Jake's 6'8" and lack of leaping ability didn't keep HCGM from signing him.