Start Fred NOW!!!!!!

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

FVV should have been arrested for assault for the amount of ankles he broke last night.

[proshox]

I guess you haven't been watching a lot of WSU games lately. I guess the infamous "dribble off the foot" has already been forgotten or you never saw it in the first place. And that's just the tip of the iceberg..

I do, I also remember many more mistakes by his teammates. The funk is equally spread at this point. Games are won or lost in the first 38 minutes. If it is a toss-up at the end of the game it is a matter of good or bad luck.

[ShockerFever]

I do, I also remember many more mistakes by his teammates. The funk is equally spread at this point. Games are won or lost in the first 38 minutes. If it is a toss-up at the end of the game it is a matter of good or bad luck.

That is the dumbest thing I've read in a while, Mrs. Armstead.

[pinstripers]

As of this moment, Fred is a better option for us than Mal.

[proshox]

That is the dumbest thing I've read in a while, Mrs. Armstead.

Go see what Kenpom has to say about final two minutes of a game. Then check back with me.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Armstead
Last 3 games.
Minutes in last 3 games: 92
Turnovers + Fouls and FG%

IN State: 3+3 = 6 and FG%=18.2
UNI: 4+4 = 8 and FG%=33.3
SIU: 4+3 = 7 and FG%=25.0

A winning team cannot have these kinds of stats from the point guard.

Fred
Last 3 games
Minutes in last 3 games: 43
Turnovers + Fouls and FG%

IN State: 1+0 = 1 and FG% = 60.0
UNI: 0+2 = 2 and FG% = 0.0 (0-1)
SIU: 1+0 = 1 and FG% = 40.0

[ShockerFever]

Go see what Kenpom has to say about final two minutes of a game. Then check back with me.

Then I guess Armstead is just an extremely unlucky individual, especially for a senior point guard.

[Shockeriffic]

I did something similar for Wiggins and Cotton when everyone wanted Wiggins to start. The numbers showed the offense was better when Wiggins was on the floor and Marshall started him last game. I don't get the bench Armstead movement but let's see if I'm wrong.

For the season with Armstead on the floor the team scores at a rate of 70.2 points per game. With Van Vleet on the floor it is 64.3. If you want to argue that Van Vleet has gotten better as the year has progressed I'd agree with you. So let's look at conference only play. With Armstead on the floor it is 68.4 ppg and Van Vleet it is 59.9 ppg. Maybe something magically happened to Armstead after the Bradley game and he's terrible now. Last 3 games: Armstead - 57.0, Van Vleet - 54.9. Basically the team is better with Armstead on the floor and the team as a whole has been scoring worse over the past three games. Swapping out Armstead for Van Vleet is not going to solve this.

[SubGod22]

I did something similar for Wiggins and Cotton when everyone wanted Wiggins to start. The numbers showed the offense was better when Wiggins was on the floor and Marshall started him last game. I don't get the bench Armstead movement but let's see if I'm wrong.

For the season with Armstead on the floor the team scores at a rate of 70.2 points per game. With Van Vleet on the floor it is 64.3. If you want to argue that Van Vleet has gotten better as the year has progressed I'd agree with you. So let's look at conference only play. With Armstead on the floor it is 68.4 ppg and Van Vleet it is 59.9 ppg. Maybe something magically happened to Armstead after the Bradley game and he's terrible now. Last 3 games: Armstead - 57.0, Van Vleet - 54.9. Basically the team is better with Armstead on the floor and the team as a whole has been scoring worse over the past three games. Swapping out Armstead for Van Vleet is not going to solve this.

It comes down to the stupid turnovers that Mal commits and the horrible shots. FVV has done a much better job of not throwing the ball away and doesn't jack up shots that make you want to rip your hear out. That's where the movement is coming from.

[rrshock]

I did something similar for Wiggins and Cotton when everyone wanted Wiggins to start. The numbers showed the offense was better when Wiggins was on the floor and Marshall started him last game. I don't get the bench Armstead movement but let's see if I'm wrong.

For the season with Armstead on the floor the team scores at a rate of 70.2 points per game. With Van Vleet on the floor it is 64.3. If you want to argue that Van Vleet has gotten better as the year has progressed I'd agree with you. So let's look at conference only play. With Armstead on the floor it is 68.4 ppg and Van Vleet it is 59.9 ppg. Maybe something magically happened to Armstead after the Bradley game and he's terrible now. Last 3 games: Armstead - 57.0, Van Vleet - 54.9. Basically the team is better with Armstead on the floor and the team as a whole has been scoring worse over the past three games. Swapping out Armstead for Van Vleet is not going to solve this.

Armstead is on the court with the starting bunch more though. That needs to be taken into account. Your numbers are showing things, but don't explain everything.

[Shockeriffic]

Armstead is on the court with the starting bunch more though. That needs to be taken into account. Your numbers are showing things, but don't explain everything.

That's true. Playing more time with Early and Hall will make your numbers look better. Still, Wiggins played more time with backups and his numbers were still much better than Cotton's. My main problem with this thread is that Fred has had a few good stretches and everyone wants him to start. Now if someone wanted to give Armstead normal minutes until the end of the game and bring in Van Vleet like a baseball closer for the end, I'd be all for that.

[GOSHOX1]

It comes down to the stupid turnovers that Mal commits and the horrible shots. FVV has done a much better job of not throwing the ball away and doesn't jack up shots that make you want to rip your hear out. That's where the movement is coming from.

This +100 Frddy V is not bring the ball down and jacking up 3's, mal is!

[SubGod22]

I know I've been calling for more FVV and less MA for some time now. Back then I wasn't calling for FVV to start, but to play 18+ minutes a game and MA to play fewer than he had been. Maybe MA would be better at the end of games if he weren't playing so much? I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that FVV has improved quite a bit from the beginning of the season and I honestly feel more comfortable when he's in the game than I do DWill or MA as I know FVV is going to look to find others. And when FVV penetrates, I'm pretty confident he's not going to throw up crap because he hates passing to anyone bigger than he is.

[GOSHOX1]

That's true. Playing more time with Early and Hall will make your numbers look better. Still, Wiggins played more time with backups and his numbers were still much better than Cotton's. My main problem with this thread is that Fred has had a few good stretches and everyone wants him to start. Now if someone wanted to give Armstead normal minutes until the end of the game and bring in Van Vleet like a baseball closer for the end, I'd be all for that.

To me this is a different animal. Cotton is not an offensive threat and I don't believe has ever been thought of as one wiggins is. The story on mal was he was a good penetrator (which he is) and not that great of a shooter (which he is). He needs to get back to that and then he can play more minutes until then play Freddy V !!

[Shockeriffic]

I know I've been calling for more FVV and less MA for some time now. Back then I wasn't calling for FVV to start, but to play 18+ minutes a game and MA to play fewer than he had been. Maybe MA would be better at the end of games if he weren't playing so much? I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that FVV has improved quite a bit from the beginning of the season and I honestly feel more comfortable when he's in the game than I do DWill or MA as I know FVV is going to look to find others. And when FVV penetrates, I'm pretty confident he's not going to throw up crap because he hates passing to anyone bigger than he is.

I agree with this and if everyone posting in here had stated their opinions this well I would've stayed out of it. It was the "done with Armstead" and "all he does is jack up threes" talk that made me jump in. I've had no complaints with Fred's play the past few games.