New bill would force KU and WSU to play

[rrshock]

I think the state does have the right to tell it's two of its highest paid employees what they are going to do when it comes to their jobs. Self and Marshall are both employees of the state of Kansas. Webber at KSU is too. If the legislature and governor, the people that make the decisions for the state, whether good or bad, decide that the highest paid state employees will have to do something, then they will.

[ShockerPrez]

Good chance they will stay out of being a bad loss for a while.

We have to think of future generations. We are just passing on debt to our children.

[tropicalshox]

We have to think of future generations. We are just passing on debt to our children.

I don't understand.

[shock]

Less government = better government

Here is the deal- Marshall and Self are state employees. Part of their millions in salary is taxpayer money. While I agree less government is better government, in this case it is just ignorant because the state is telling their employees what to do. It is not a matter of free will here. If their boss wants to tell them what to do, both can get off their high horse and do it. /rant

[ShockerPrez]

I don't understand.

Im just messin. Just trying to imagine a scenario when KU sucks and we have to play them. I agree, probably never will be the case.

[jdshock]

I've heard so many people argue against it because of the smaller government argument, and I heard one person specifically say it is "unconstitutional." I wholeheartedly agree with every person above me who has said they are state schools. If we truly believe in small (state) governments to the point that we are allowing it to harm our self-interest, then we should believe in disbanding all funding for state schools. See ya later KU, KSU, WSU, ESU, PSU, FHSU, and even to a certain extent WU!

[SubGod22]

They may be state schools, but I don't like the idea of the government being too hands on with them. They're run independently but get state funding. Forcing certain institutions to do certain things goes against what I believe in. I don't think us not playing harms the state by any means. And us playing may benefit the state to a very small degree.

And as far as salaries go, I believe most of the coaches salaries come from private money and not the state. How much comes from the state I do not know. But the vast majority is private.

[TheYeti]

Scroo Bill "The Rug" Self, scroo Sheahon "TheFlagship" Zenger, and scroo KU. We don't need 'em for anything.

[shock]

They may be state schools, but I don't like the idea of the government being too hands on with them. They're run independently but get state funding. Forcing certain institutions to do certain things goes against what I believe in. I don't think us not playing harms the state by any means. And us playing may benefit the state to a very small degree.

And as far as salaries go, I believe most of the coaches salaries come from private money and not the state. How much comes from the state I do not know. But the vast majority is private.

I am almost certain it will be a clause tied to receive funding from the state, not unlike the way the federal government deals with the states. Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. There will be a choice.

[SubGod22]

I am almost certain it will be a clause tied to receive funding from the state, not unlike the way the federal government deals with the states. Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. There will be a choice.

And that too is crappy politics and it pisses me off when DC does it to the states. It only weakens the states and gives more control over more crap to DC. It would be the same thing here in the long run.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

The Postal service is run independently but receives government money. Same with Amtrak, Freddie Mac, etc, etc. And you can bet I fully support our elected officials if and when they decide that those entities should do something in the best interest of the public. That's why these institutions are public and not private enterprises--so that there is a mechanism in place to ensure they operate in the best interest of the public as opposed to the best interests of investors or a privileged few. The argument that government should stay out of it is baloney. However, the question of whether the state schools playing each other is in the best interest of the public--that is up for debate. I am not completely convinced this is in the best interests of the state--clearly it is in the best interests of WSU, and I believe KSU as well (the Kitties need to face it, anymore, 9 out of 10 years they risk nothing playing us and most years we risk our RPI playing them).

[GoShockers89]

As others have said, this isn't about small gov vs. big gov at all. There is no expansion here. They are simply administering oversight over existing government entities.

You can make solid arguments against the bill. The libertarian argument isn't one of them. And I'm sympathetic with libertarians on most issues.

[SubGod22]

The USPS receives no tax money and can't change what it wants to do without Congress authorizing it. Honestly, it'd be much better run if they had more freedoms in how they run things. They've been bleeding money for years and Congress hasn't let them make the changes they want in order to stop or slow the bleeding. I don't know how the others work and those can be done away with, whereas the USPS is much more difficult to part ways with. But things could be changed to let them run more independently and effectively.

Which is yet another reason I support the state allowing each university to run itself and choose how it's most effective in achieving it's goals/purpose.

[SubGod22]

As others have said, this isn't about small gov vs. big gov at all. There is no expansion here. They are simply administering oversight over existing government entities.

You can make solid arguments against the bill. The libertarian argument isn't one of them. And I'm sympathetic with libertarians on most issues.

But more gov't involvement doesn't necessarily make things better or even achieve the "greater good".

It's best to let these entities do what's best to acheive their goal/purpose.

[GoShockers89]

But more gov't involvement doesn't necessarily make things better or even achieve the "greater good".

It's best to let these entities do what's best to acheive their goal/purpose.

They can do that at anytime if they're willing to cut the cord on state funding and go private.

If you accept the $, you accept the strings attached.