New bill would force KU and WSU to play

[XManCometh]

WSU probably has a better winning percentage against KU in the past 33 years than does K-State.

According to the KU media guide, which I have easy access to at the moment:

KU is 12-2 all-time vs WSU.

KU is 184-91 all-time vs KSU.

I'd go back to 1981 to count how many times KSU has beaten KU in the last 33 years but I'm too lazy to do that. Probably not fair to compare winning % with such a wide disparity in games played.

[XManCometh]

He was on KGSO about 15 minutes ago. Made some good points.

Kevin Kietzman is easily a 1,000 times better interviewer than anyone 1410 has ever employed. O'Donnell was probably told to avoid him at all costs and thus he just no-showed without a call/explanation. Probably getting prepped by someone on how to answer sports questions as I type this.

[Metalkatz]

I'm all for this and I think it needs to happen asap so then we can focus on bball again. IF this will pass it will be huge for WSU, will fill two non con games against bcs teams with home games every other year. That sounds great and will for sure make season tickets a little bit more desirable, not to mention a good big game non con atmosphere

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Socialism is an economic system where the government owns the means of production. This law has to do with athletics that are governed by state owned schools (owned by the taxpayers). This is not Socialism for a representative of the taxpayers to try to tell the schools how to operate. Whether this is a good idea is to be debated but it isn't Socialism.

Hey, in this country these days we don't let something as trivial as the actual definition of a word get in the way of us using it in every non-sensical context imaginable, especially THAT word.

Anyway, on another note, are we sure we want KSU added to this bill? I mean, we're looking for quality non-con opponents who usually have a good RPI, not a flash in the pan BCS who ocassionally has a good year...:biggrin-new:

[bleed yellow]

If KU officials and fans claim their basketball team has nothing to gain by playing a school and therefore they won't schedule that school, that means they personally have a problem with that school for whatever reason. I am for this bill passing.

[ShockerPrez]

Kevin Kietzman is easily a 1,000 times better interviewer than anyone 1410 has ever employed. O'Donnell was probably told to avoid him at all costs and thus he just no-showed without a call/explanation. Probably getting prepped by someone on how to answer sports questions as I type this.

From what I heard of KK talking about it, he was generally in favor of KU playing WSU.

[Veritas]

According to the KU media guide, which I have easy access to at the moment:

KU is 12-2 all-time vs WSU.

KU is 184-91 all-time vs KSU.

I'd go back to 1981 to count how many times KSU has beaten KU in the last 33 years but I'm too lazy to do that. Probably not fair to compare winning % with such a wide disparity in games played.

Since 1984 when KU started the mini-series with WSU:
K State has a winning percentage of 11.68% in contrast to WSU's winning percentage of 12.5% 5 of those 8 KU games were played during the horrific '88-
93 years.

[Rhatigan]

I'm all for it. But let's be honest, we'd probably get our asses kicked most of the time.

[SubGod22]

I'm all for it. But let's be honest, we'd probably get our asses kicked most of the time.

Lose? Maybe so. Get our asses kicked? Not a chance.

[shocker3]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

While the universities are state schools and receive state funding, I believe the athletic departments are separate corporations (if that's the right word) and do not receive direct funding from the state. And in WSU's case I think the funds the athletic department does receive from the institution are in the form of student fees. I don't know if that's the case at KU or KSU.

I bring this up only to point out, assuming I'm correct, being state schools doesn't automatically bring athletics under the jurisdiction of the state. While I wouldn't complain if such legislation were to pass, I'd rather WSU make its case by establishing consistency at the top of the conference, in the ranking, and in the NCAA tournament.

The Florida/Florida St analogy is an interesting one, but until WSU restarts football, I don't see KU or KSU bowing to legislative pressure to sign a contract.

All of the facilities are still considered to be state owned buildings including Koch arena and Allen fieldhouse. The coaches and other staff are also considered to be state employees.

[Rlh04d]

I'm all for it. But let's be honest, we'd probably get our asses kicked most of the time.

If WSU won 1 out of every 4 against KU, I think that would be very good for the program.

Sticking with my UF/FSU comparison ... FSU was 2-16-1 in the first 19 years against Florida. Then 19-18-1 in the next 36 years. Parity did not exist when the series was created, but parity was created over time, as the perception changed. I don't think the difference is anywhere near as big between KU and WSU now, although I think KU is significantly better. Playing KU would give WSU a bigger stage, especially within the state, and the first time KU had a bad stretch and WSU was able to rattle off a couple wins in a row, whether that was two years from now or 20 ... there would be the opportunity for WSU to seize control of the state, if they had the team to win those games and the coach to take advantage of the opportunity to sell being the undisputed kings of the state at the same time. That's how you turn a 2 or 3 game winning streak into a 10 year run.

Also, I'm pretty educated on football TV dealings, but I'm not as sure about basketball. I know in football, the home team would have TV rights to the game being played, and thus it would be factored into the TV contract that team's conference has. Would it be the same way in basketball? i.e., Would a guaranteed home game against either KU or K-State be something we'd be able to sell as part of our TV package, possibly as a means to entice a conference jump? I don't mean that we'd be able to hop conferences just because of that series, but would it be another thing we could add to the value WSU would add to a new conference?

[ShockerPrez]

Will someone piss on this terd, too?

[Rosewood]

As a WSU fan I have to be for such a stupid, idiotic bill, right? I mean, I do want KU and K-State once a year.

But the more I think about it the more I don't want some daddy's boy that is serving his one and done term in Topeka to be the one that makes it happen.

Thankfully I know that this bill has about as much chance of passing as the medicinal MJ bill. (Which I'm a hell of a lot more for then this waste of time. That would at least help people with cancer.)

[shockrah]

Maybe we need to legislate that the Shockers start playing basketball again first.

[C0|dB|00ded]

As a WSU fan I have to be for such a stupid, idiotic bill, right? I mean, I do want KU and K-State once a year.

But the more I think about it the more I don't want some daddy's boy that is serving his one and done term in Topeka to be the one that makes it happen.

Thankfully I know that this bill has about as much chance of passing as the medicinal MJ bill. (Which I'm a hell of a lot more for then this waste of time. That would at least help people with cancer.)

There is no way a rational Shocker fan can be against this bill.. I don't care if Betty White authored it. MVC teams are 2-1 against the ChiKUns in the last 3 meetings and the single loss (SIU) was by only a couple points.

There is no way this bill doesn't make WSU a stronger program.


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