Why is Jiake White shooting 3s??

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What is the typical "Marshall playa" pray tell?

Man... you don't follow things very closely around here do ya? Gregg Marshall has stated numerous times that he prefers "long", "athletic", and "quick" players. We know from his comments that he likes them to have an attitude, or what he has called "swagger that borders on cockiness". He also effuses praise over recruits who can play around the rim or "dunk it". It's clear what type of player Gregg Marshall recruits and Jake White does not quite fit the profile. Ron Baker fits the profile a bit more closely than Jake White save for the "long" part.


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I would say that ideally HCGM wants more EO's, Early's, Wiggins', and Armstead's over White's, Stutz', Wessel's, and.. here it comes... a FVV. Of course you don't pass up on a guy like FVV if you get a chance, and he may very well become a star point guard at WSU, but if HCGM had a magic player mold, I think he would want an Armstead over a FVV because of the defensive aspect MA can bring to the game (when he wants to).


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[shockmonster]

The shots Jake pulled off against Mo State in mop-up time were impressive. The rest of his play was not. (Just look at how many fouls he picked up in the short time he was in).

Cold is winning me over to his side.

I would say that ideally HCGM wants more EO's, Early's, Wiggins', and Armstead's over White's, Stutz', Wessel's, and.. here it comes... a FVV. Of course you don't pass up on a guy like FVV if you get a chance, and he may very well become a star point guard at WSU, but if HCGM had a magic player mold, I think he would want an Armstead over a FVV because of the defensive aspect MA can bring to the game (when he wants to).


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Rosewood. I always thought that you were sane. Do you still want to say this?

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I'm sure Gregg Marshall is clearly aware of the racial makeup of his teams and most likely will never have an all-black team. That being said, he has publicly stated numerous times what characteristics he likes in a ballplayer. There are very few white players that have the physical profile of what HCGM has stated that he wants. Any white player he signs is going to have to adapt to a very fast, transitional style of basketball that feasts on turnovers. When I think of HCGM's dream team, I think of Memphis...


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[pinstripers]

Baker and Wessel fit the mold, I think. Fred not so much.

[SHOXAAC]

Man... you don't follow things very closely around here do ya? Gregg Marshall has stated numerous times that he prefers "long", "athletic", and "quick" players. We know from his comments that he likes them to have an attitude, or what he has called "swagger that borders on cockiness". He also effuses praise over recruits who can play around the rim or "dunk it". It's clear what type of player Gregg Marshall recruits and Jake White does not quite fit the profile. Ron Baker fits the profile a bit more closely than Jake White save for the "long" part.


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You need not worry about me paying attention, but you might listen more intently to the coach because you left out BBIQ, which I have heard on occasion.

Because of BBIQ we probably won't see any more EO experiments, even as athletically gifted, long & quick as he is.

We have all witnessed how we lost three in a row prior to yesterday's win. We didn't play with an abundance of basketball smarts. Our athletes decided to play as though it was summer pickup time. The key in putting a consistently successful team out there day in and day out is an appropriate balance of athleticism, execution, and IQ. Our hope is that HCGM can dust off the IQ and execution to match the athleticism. When that happens, watch out.

[garylee]

good post shoxmvc. i sense some negativity about jW which i dont understand. yes, he has gone thru a shooting slump
but i don't think his contributions have cost us any games. a few others have had shooting slumps and been allowed to
shoot thru them........i think jake may have also last night, BUT even with that he has made solid contributions with his
intensity, his banging the boards, screening and unselfish play. as you all might remember he made some very good
contributions in key games last year also. with the departure of hall/orupe i expect jake will be a key contributer the
next two seasons, as well. once he gets his confidence back shooting he can contribute at C,PF and even on the perimeter
offensively. he is a valuable asset that i am sure GM has no regrets about.

[forevershockerfan]

Jake White is a keeper. I venture to say Sub is not worried and neither am I. Everybody gets a fair shot on this team to play. I hope Mr Baker can return. We miss him on both sides of the floor. Each player needs to find their "SPS-Shocker Positioning System" in the confines of our team play. The sooner we do this, the better. Now is the time to start our best peaking crest of the Season and never look back during the prime time we are entering and make this a special Season to always remember in a positive way.

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You need not worry about me paying attention, but you might listen more intently to the coach because you left out BBIQ, which I have heard on occasion.

Because of BBIQ we probably won't see any more EO experiments, even as athletically gifted, long & quick as he is.

We have all witnessed how we lost three in a row prior to yesterday's win. We didn't play with an abundance of basketball smarts. Our athletes decided to play as though it was summer pickup time. The key in putting a consistently successful team out there day in and day out is an appropriate balance of athleticism, execution, and IQ. Our hope is that HCGM can dust off the IQ and execution to match the athleticism. When that happens, watch out.

For all intents and purposes, you can't recruit D1 BBIQ. Nobody knows how a player will eventually turn out until they've played D1 ball for a while.

Inherent BBIQ (if there is such a thing) is also very hard to measure. Have you noticed how little BBIQ our players seem to have when they are losing and how much they seem to have when they are winning? There's obviously more to that characteristic than meets the eye. I believe everything stems from effort. Give a poor effort and you look slow, dumb, and untalented.

It's a given that HCGM wants players that will be able to learn his system. However, many of the players HCGM has recruited since he's been here have had previous problems in the classroom. Most Juco players go that route because they have poor academics - not exactly the right place to look if you are hoping to score a genius... Hell, Teddy was so dense he couldn't even qualify to come to WSU and HCGM was on him like wildfire. Today all our players are doing fine in the classroom and many are doing outstanding. That's a credit to HCGM, his staff, and his tutors. You don't need a lot of brains to be an excellent basketball player. Just look at how many of the NBA players live their lives... they act like they have rocks in their heads.

And why am I not surprised you took another stab at EO... Son, if we had another EO coming in fresh from the bush every 3 years or so this coach would be delighted. You need to let it go...

In summary:

1) BBIQ is immeasurable or difficult to quantitatively define.

2) Brains is not a requisite for an outstanding basketball player.

3) HCGM recruits long, quick, athletes with or without a history of academic issues in high school.


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[SHOXAAC]

For all intents and purposes, you can't recruit D1 BBIQ. Nobody knows how a player will eventually turn out until they've played D1 ball for a while.

Inherent BBIQ (if there is such a thing) is also very hard to measure. Have you noticed how little BBIQ our players seem to have when they are losing and how much they seem to have when they are winning? There's obviously more to that characteristic than meets the eye. I believe everything stems from effort. Give a poor effort and you look slow, dumb, and untalented.

It's a given that HCGM wants players that will be able to learn his system. However, many of the players HCGM has recruited since he's been here have had previous problems in the classroom. Most Juco players go that route because they have poor academics - not exactly the right place to look if you are hoping to score a genius... Hell, Teddy was so dense he couldn't even qualify to come to WSU and HCGM was on him like wildfire. Today all our players are doing fine in the classroom and many are doing outstanding. That's a credit to HCGM, his staff, and his tutors. You don't need a lot of brains to be an excellent basketball player. Just look at how many of the NBA players live their lives... they act like they have rocks in their heads.

And why am I not surprised you took another stab at EO... Son, if we had another EO coming in fresh from the bush every 3 years or so this coach would be delighted. You need to let it go...

In summary:

1) BBIQ is immeasurable or difficult to quantitatively define.

2) Brains is not a requisite for an outstanding basketball player.

3) HCGM recruits long, quick, athletes with or without a history of academic issues in high school.


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General IQ certainly isn't a prerequisite for basketball success, but BBIQ definately is, whether its recognized (as you said it is challenging to do) prior to getting here or developed while a player is here. My guess is HCGM felt good in the recruiting process about the BBIQ fod probably half our roster. The other half is where he partially earns his $1.6M. Our expectation should be for him to mold it all together in a reasonable fashion.

I'm not taking any stab at EO. I just tell ya the truth. You just can't handle the truth. You want stab, take a look at your comments about JW then pop off. If you believe HCGM would do EO's recruiting all over again the exact same way (time, money, non-institution resources, etc..) for a player who will end his 3-year career averaging about 9 mpg, 2 ppg, 3 rpg, 1 bpg I have some resort property in western Kansas I will sell you. Behind closed doors i will assure you Marshall would go another direction. EO is on our team so I root for him for the role player he is. Simple as that.

[shockmonster]

Coach has bragged numerous times how much he loves Evan's game. He is a tough all state football player, is always on the floor after loose balls, a fine athlete, close to being a lock down defender, and has worked hard to develop a nice 3 point shot. Anyone who thinks your way is way off.

[garylee]

The shots Jake pulled off against Mo State in mop-up time were impressive. The rest of his play was not. (Just look at how many fouls he picked up in the short time he was in).

Cold is winning me over to his side.

try looking at JW's overall stats relative to everyone else. his shooting % is slightly above the teams average, his rebounds
per minute may be the best on the team, his points per minute ranks well, his shooting % is better than three of the
starters, he always hustles & plays smart. the ONLY drawback i have seen has been three point shooting % and he really
hasn't had that many attempts. cotton broke out of his slump and so will jake. posts titled like this one are not helpful.
i believe one of his late game misses in a barn burner was a called play following a timeout which tells me the coach has
not lost confidence in JW's shot. i think both white and baker are good three point shooters and not hesitate when open.

[ShockerPrez]

Jake is only a sophomore. My guess is that by the time he is a senior, he will be a solid inside player.

[Dave Stalwart]

Jake is going to be a story just like hatch. We are going to love him the next two years. He really does rebound well and he will only get better.

He might actually have a nice outing against drake too. For some reason he got more or less benched last game and if you light a fire under the guy right before a matchup with a team that isn't very athletic, he might really show up.

[Ricardo del Rio]

If Jake could go out to the corner and drill a three on a consistent basis, virtually all of this discussion would go away.

If you recall, Jake was considered an excellent shooter in high school.

Jake was praised highly because he went to the gym in high school and WSU and practiced X number of shots every day. I sorta recall that X=750 or more. Sorta like Jackie Stiles.

Jake's outside shooting woes are a mystery to me.