MVC Presidents hold conference call about Creightno's possible departure.

[CBB_Fan]

Why would you pander to schools wanting to commit their very limited resources to football instead of basketball?

Wichita State wouldn't. We are talking about the Drakes and Bradleys of the MVC, and the question is how desperate they are to stay in the MVC as currently constructed. They may be willing to accept UNI and Illinois State moving their football to the MAC if it means they stay in the conference. I can't tell you they are 100% sure of doing that, but I think it is something to consider.

I think Wichita State and Creighton have the easy choices actually. Both will upgrade conferences if offered (Creighton to BE, Wichita State to MWC most likely). Everyone else has to decide what the correct choice is for them.

[SB Shock]

The biggest thing the MVC could do would be to let the schools that actually earn the NCAA tourney units keep a larger share of those units than they current get. That both rewards success and could keep teams from leaving.

frankly I think the school that earns the ncaa tourney unit should get most of it - but that would never fly in the MVC because of the mentality of the conference.

[SB Shock]

1. Money
2. Allowing UNI/Illinois State to go to the MAC in football if they agree to keep other sports in the MVC for X amount of time
3. Increased fee to leave (possibly on a sliding scale based on athletic expenditures, which the poor schools would agree to)

That sort of thing. I'm under no illusions that Wichita State and Creighton would sign onto any of these because both school want out of the Valley, but this is the type of stuff most conferences do to try and keep schools from leaving.

(1) Money is kind of little general. Now I could see what DJA proposes that NCAA share could be increased, but the poor schools are never going to go for this. These schools have a small time mindset that they do things like keep DBU out of the conference because of having to travel to Dallas 1 every 2 years for baseball. They give push back on scheduling requirements for basketball.

(2) would drive CU out quickly, I hope it would also WSU (but) I'm not that confident in the administration. Football is already bankrupting the MVC.

(3) Everybody in this league has a foot out the door, so I don't think it would pass, and if it did, would it really be high enough to stop a CU from leaving, and say it was - is that how you want keep a conference together by trying to hold its members hostage?

[shox1989]

The biggest thing the MVC could do would be to let the schools that actually earn the NCAA tourney units keep a larger share of those units than they current get. That both rewards success and could keep teams from leaving.

I agree with that. It also gives a bigger incentive for all of the MVC teams to invest more in basketball. Right now a few of the schools seem content to live off of the units earned by others.

[SubGod22]

Wichita State wouldn't. We are talking about the Drakes and Bradleys of the MVC, and the question is how desperate they are to stay in the MVC as currently constructed. They may be willing to accept UNI and Illinois State moving their football to the MAC if it means they stay in the conference. I can't tell you they are 100% sure of doing that, but I think it is something to consider.

I think Wichita State and Creighton have the easy choices actually. Both will upgrade conferences if offered (Creighton to BE, Wichita State to MWC most likely). Everyone else has to decide what the correct choice is for them.

The MAC won't allow that to happen. If either are able to join the MAC in football (UNI), it will be for all sports. I've read as much previously. UNI knows this too. They would prefer to leave all other sports in the MVC but the MAC isn't going to accept them as football only. ISU I think is more likely to find a home in the Belt when it moves up. And they'll want all sports too. Neither are splitting up football and the other sports.

And nobody is going to raise fees for leaving. I would guess that CU, WSU, UNI, ISU and even BU have their eyes elsewhere. That's five. Plus MSU and SIU may have dreams about building football up and escaping as well. Getting a simple majority vote would be tough. Plus the poor schools would have to look at their future options and they don't want to price themselves out of leaving if they need to move to a lesser conference to save money.

DJA is right, allowing those who earn the credits to keep a larger portion would help. And considering the teams we're talking about, moving the tourney to KC could help to a degree. Neither is going to happen with how the MVC is run.

As far as adding teams, you can rule out any team that plays FBS football. There aren't a lot of immediate impact types that we could land. The only way you get one of SLU or Dayton is if all other teams of value from the A10 are taken and one gets left behind. But even that is no guarantee as they rely on east coast recruiting. The teams you'd be most likely to get are Milwaukee, Murray State, Belmont, ORU, Denver, Arlington, XDSU, UMKC, SEMO, UIC, Loyola-Chicago, Little Rock and Wright State. Some of those I wouldn't even consider touching. Others I'd need to look into deeper to see the potential they have. Some may not even be interested if there's a threat of losing one of, or both, Creighton and Wichita.

[pinstripers]

ORU. UTA, ALR

[SubGod22]

ORU. UTA, ALR

Financial issues, no proven track record and no track record.

Risks for all of the schools I mentioned above.

[rjl]

Hell, considering Elgin is running the show, I just assume get it over with and spiral this conference all the way out of control. Add UMKC. At least then I could walk about a mile from my house and catch a Shocker game.

[Ta town]

Financial issues, no proven track record and no track record.

Risks for all of the schools I mentioned above.

I really believe ORU's financial issues have been resolved via the leadership and giving of the Green family (Hobby Lobby) and the ousting of the Roberts family from power. Also they spent more on basketball in 2011 than 7 of the 10 Valley schools.

[pinstripers]

Financial issues, no proven track record and no track record.

Risks for all of the schools I mentioned above.

Proximity and population, though.

[SubGod22]

Proximity and population, though.

If that's what they're looking for, UMKC would be at the top of the list. Then you'd have to consider Wright State and Milwaukee. Both of the last to would probably be better adds than Little Rock in the short and long term.

[MoValley John]

I will chime in.
1. Minimum resources must be applied to basketball. If you want to play in the Valley, you must spend $2.25 mm on basketball.

2. NCAA shares go 50% to the school that earned them, the other 50% split evenly, including the school that earned the share.

3. All NCAA money is forfeited if and when you leave.

4. 150 rule. Period.

5. Force Elgin, or whomever is the commissioner to increase media and sponsorship money by a minimum of 50% over the next five years.

6. Exit fees equal 150% of whatever the schools media and NCAA distributions are at the time of exit.

[WSUwatcher]

XDSU, Sub? Pretty good -- Xanadu Dakota State.

[SubGod22]

That represents both N and S

[CBB_Fan]

(2) would drive CU out quickly, I hope it would also WSU (but) I'm not that confident in the administration. Football is already bankrupting the MVC.

(3) Everybody in this league has a foot out the door, so I don't think it would pass, and if it did, would it really be high enough to stop a CU from leaving, and say it was - is that how you want keep a conference together by trying to hold its members hostage?

CU is gone sooner or later. Everything I'm talking about it about keeping the conference together after they leave, presuming teams even want that. Nothing the MVC could do would stop them from leaving.