NOMINATIONS: 1st Quarter of the 21st Century Teams

[JVShocker]

Gregg Marshall (and his staff) recruited and coached up some of the best players in the history of this program and even more so, all but a select few of the best defenders ever to put on a Shocker uniform.

If you don't think Jason Perez belongs in that group, I don't know what to tell you except that you don't understand the game of basketball. His understanding of team play and defensive positioning as well as his instincts rival the great Fred VanVleet. He was also as strong as an ox. He would not be outclassed in any way, shape or form.

Can't like this comment enuff. I wouldn't sweat it wudrwu, there's an idiot in the landing zone.

[shocker43]

1st team --
FVV
Cleanthony Early
CP3
RB
Tekele

2nd team --
Landry
Markis
Cooz
Shaq
Rashard

HM --
Ragland
Armstead
Etienne
Echenique
Wessel
Dexter

[ShockTalk]

1st - Early / VanVleet / Cotton / Baker / Perez

2nd - Murray / Armstead / Hall / Shamet / Porter

Hon. - McDuffie / Cooz / Howard / Ragland / Miller / Stutz / Durley / Jamie E. / Burns / Hannah

[Dan]

I would also like to mention that JT Durley should be recognized in the accolades as being 1st Team All MVC as a senior

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January 17, 1998. I believe that was the first time Yours Truly ever stepped into The Roundhouse. I went with my dad and a friend to a women’s/men’s doubleheader.

The women played SMS. We knew all about a young freshman named Jackie Stiles because she lit up my school the year before, scoring 25 points…in the first quarter (55 total). Jackie still impressed with 38 points, but the Shocks still prevailed 87-82. Because that seating was general admission and we were there when the doors opened, we sat on the first row right by the north tunnel.

In the men’s game against Southern Illinois, SIU led by 2 and had two late FTs that could’ve iced the game. But both clanked, and WSU got the rebound and called timeout. Jason took the inbound pass down the court, stopped at the top of the key, and drained one at the buzzer.

Hell of a start to my Shocker Basketball fandom. If I only knew what was in store for the future.

That was a beautiful time to begin your fandom! The Shocker resurgence was right around the corner!

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Gregg Marshall (and his staff) recruited and coached up some of the best players in the history of this program and even more so, all but a select few of the best defenders ever to put on a Shocker uniform.

If you don't think Jason Perez belongs in that group, I don't know what to tell you except that you don't understand the game of basketball. His understanding of team play and defensive positioning as well as his instincts rival the great Fred VanVleet. He was also as strong as an ox. He would not be outclassed in any way, shape or form.

Calm down brother. It's just an opinion. And no, I do not think Perez belongs in the group of Fred, Ron, and Tekele. Sorry. I don't care how good his "defensive positioning" was lol. He would be out of position (comparatively) had he tried to defend who Tekele defended (dominantly). And he will NEVER replace Fred or Ron lmfbo - nor Maurice, Landry, PJ, Toure'. What do you say we compromise on "in between 2nd team and HM"?

I loved Jason's effort, and he had a sharpshooter's eye. He was a defensive menace... against children. I've even heard that he was "strong as an ox"!!! (wonders aloud if anybody ever tried to put a yoke on him..) Couldn't dribble though, and got his pocket picked the second he went into the lane.. thus incomplete and not first team material IMO.

I understand this man is very important to you. I mean no offense. Please tell your godson hi for me!

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I think Paul Miller needs to be on the 2nd team. I think MT kind of underutilzed him. He was very tough to guard.

Paul Miller was a beast and he showed what he could do against Michigan State's big man. Great choice for all-calendar award also. Wish I had that topless shot to post right now!

He never stopped improving. When he came back to scrimmage in the summer he had finally shed Fifi and was a complete murderer around the basket. One of my favorite Shocker centers of all time! What a sweet and unstoppable baseline fadeaway!

[pinstripers]

Paul Miller was a beast and he showed what he could do against Michigan State's big man. Great choice for all-calendar award also. Wish I had that topless shot to post right now!

He never stopped improving. When he came back to scrimmage in the summer he had finally shed Fifi and was a complete murderer around the basket. One of my favorite Shocker centers of all time! What a sweet and unstoppable baseline fadeaway!

Perez was better

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Perez was better

[BostonWu]

I hear ya brother! But let's walk through this shall we?

If we have Perez on the team tomorrow, he instantly becomes a shooting threat IF he gets open. The kind of length on the guards that will be defending him will be completely foreign. In fact, I remember him getting stuffed on occasion. He can't drive either. So defenders are going to smother him. He also can't walk the ball up the floor as PG. He will be aggressive at going after rebounds, but with his limited vertical and length... he'll be counting on timing/brains (angles). Everybody around him will be on average taller and more athletic than what he faced back in the 90's.

And how do you think he'll fare guarding better athletes with longer arms?

No Bueno.

You act like today's AAC is loaded with stud athletes and talented all around players. Such a murder's row. This is probably your worst take ever.

[ShockerFever]

You act like today's AAC is loaded with stud athletes and talented all around players. Such a murder's row. This is probably your worst take ever.

Quite the statement, considering how many things he gets wrong about.

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You act like today's AAC is loaded with stud athletes and talented all around players. Such a murder's row. This is probably your worst take ever.

Quite the statement, considering how many things he gets wrong about.

Trolllololol

Guys, guys, guys.... everybody knows that a move to the AAC was a big step up in average athleticism over the MVC. Even Gregg Marshall himself said that. Now... I understand that today's AAC isn't exactly the 2017 AAC, but amazingly, the average athleticism still hasn't dropped off that far. It's kind of an FBS football thing. Plus, these schools are located in major metros. You're gonna have some 'dudes' in big cities that swing and miss on a Power 4 conference, then settle for the hometown option.

The interesting thing we should be talking about is how very athletic teams don't automatically translate into wins. In fact, the AAC was kind of a bruiser league when we joined. Everybody just beat up on each other. But the average quality in thoroughbreds is identifiable immediately over the MVC. I actually watched 5 mins. of an NIU game the other night. Children.

Now consider the MVC back in 1997...



This ^^^ is an official media guide photo of the 1997 SwoMo Bears men's team.

[molly jabali]

Jason Perez graduated in 2000. I am assuming he counts, and if he fits your criteria, then I nominate Jason Perez.

6th ALL TIME leading scorer.
19th ALL TIME leading rebounder
15th ALL TIME assists
2nd ALL TIME in steals, only surpassed by the legendary Fred Van Vleet in his final NCAA tourney games (Fred played 24 more total games than Jason).

Jason was one of the best defensive players in my lifetime. Tekele Cotton like.

Can you IMAGINE his stats if he'd had any help or coaching at all?


I also nominate Connor Frankamp. He had the misfortune of being on the same team as Fred or his numbers likely are off the charts.

True on coaching and MOSTLY no help....MAYBE ONE OF MY FAVORITE PLAYES EVER WAS WHEN HE JUMPED OVER THE SCORERS' TABLE TO SAVE A BALL AND THEN GOT BACK INTO THE PLAY...OR WAS i DREAMING THAT?

[molly jabali]

You're right about everything except your assertion where JP would fit in at "the AAC level". You don't know enough about the game to understand how his skill level and intelligence (as well as effort) carried a guy that was more athletic than you think. He would have been even better on the best WSU teams of the 2010s and would have started on all but the very best.

I felt that burn.....:)

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I felt that burn.....:)

That makes one of us!

The only question I have now is, will my bantering with Doc raise Pedez's ultimate poll ranking from HM to 2nd team out of spite?