Kansas City (2-7) at Wichita State (8-2) Game Discussion: Dec 17 (Tue)

[BostonWu]

I know it's not a popular stance here, but Isaac Brown could have done this and for a lot less money.

Was it less?

[abdullah_sharif]

This truly is sad, but let me offer Shocker Nation ONE reason to step back from the ledge.. at least for tonight.

Herd mentality, along with extreme negative sentiment, causes capitulations in the market that when consistently faded, can offer a fella a really good livin'. What "we" (not me) saw tonight, could very well be our program's bottom. You will remember Houston's program's V-bottom that printed on the very night we beat them like a rented mule. Sampson said he had never been beaten worse.

So... if tonight wasn't the bottom, it might be very close. Hang in there just a wee bit longer and see if human nature doesn't once again illustrate it's amazing predictability.

However, if we go on a listless losing streak for weeks, then... it might be wrist-slittin' time. Or, you could just check out until the trendline points solidly up again. It's your life.

the shocker sentiment index sure does have a lot of pessimism, unfortunately, this index does not work like the american association of individual investor survey where neutral to negative feels provide big future gains.

an astute technician would have noticed the rounded top from 2016 to 2020. the weakness was there in the team’s offensive and defensive stats but it didn’t show in the wins and losses.

while markets and basketball teams tend to bottom in a v-shaped formation, one must never reach for a falling knife. marshall’s v-shaped bottom was the home win over creighton when the good guys were 0-6 in conference and coach was 17-31 here overall. it was only up from there as he was 314-90 up to the firing.

as a former season ticket holder of a dozen seats and coaches club member I’m not interested in the arms race that is college athletics. never thought i’d say this, but if I couldn’t make a couple dollars through draftkings, I wouldn’t have an interest in college athletics much less the shox at all.

these are super sad times all around.

[ShockRef]

This season could go off the rails very quickly and end up much like last seasons record.
Poor personnel decisions are going to come back and haunt this team.
I've mentioned them multiple times and they are about to come to fruition. With a senior laden team albeit!
Yikes!

Do not be surprised if this team ends up with a 15-17 record when its all said and done.

That is all.

[Stickboy46]

Was it less?

Considering we are paying full salaries to both Brown and Mills this season for these results .. Yes

[Atxshoxfan]

I can go to NAIA games only 20 minutes from home and see better basketball. And it's only costs me $2.
The high roller have to pay $7, but since I'm old ....well $2

[C0|dB|00ded]

the shocker sentiment index sure does have a lot of pessimism, unfortunately, this index does not work like the american association of individual investor survey where neutral to negative feels provide big future gains.

an astute technician would have noticed the rounded top from 2016 to 2020. the weakness was there in the team’s offensive and defensive stats but it didn’t show in the wins and losses.

while markets and basketball teams tend to bottom in a v-shaped formation, one must never reach for a falling knife. marshall’s v-shaped bottom was the home win over creighton when the good guys were 0-6 in conference and coach was 17-31 here overall. it was only up from there as he was 314-90 up to the firing.

as a former season ticket holder of a dozen seats and coaches club member I’m not interested in the arms race that is college athletics. never thought i’d say this, but if I couldn’t make a couple dollars through draftkings, I wouldn’t have an interest in college athletics much less the shox at all.

these are super sad times all around.

You'll remember a thread I started right around the time of the "rounded top", proclaiming that Marshall had lost his edge.

Still didn't deserve what he got. Even if he drug the program down to mediocrity. He earned that slide.

It will be interesting to see if Mills can develop (and sustain) an edge. The tricky thing about turnarounds (and trading) is that you can be doing EVERYTHING right, yet still yield piss-poor results for a lot longer than anybody could imagine. This is the time to get into your data/statistics and remind yourself that variances are real and a lot of randomness must be overcome on the way to the "Final Four".

He's just gotta keep doing the right things behind the scenes and eventually it will play out on the court. The big question is... is Mills doing the right things behind the scenes?

Marshall thought he wasn't. And that was why he asked for his walking papers from Mr. Schaus.

P.S. Marshall's two edges = outrecruiting the conference he was in (couldn't do it in the AAC like he did in the MVC/Big South), and curating a group of players that could/would eat nails and glass on demand.

[pinstripers]

My grandson had a game last night. I listened to the second half on the radio driving home. I also heard part of the pregame. Some callers were talking about a potential trap game. MK in his most arrogant voice said that no way Coach Paul Mills was gonna let that happen, and I thought, "what planet are you from?"

[WstateU]

My grandson had a game last night. I listened to the second half on the radio driving home. I also heard part of the pregame. Some callers were talking about a potential trap game. MK in his most arrogant voice said that no way Coach Paul Mills was gonna let that happen, and I thought, "what planet are you from?"

He ‘guaranteed’ we weren’t overlooking KC and the team had the best practice of the year the previous day.

Mkay.

[Dan]

This team just doesn't play with any fire whatsoever. We saw that they are capable of it in the last 6 minutes but what does that tell you about the players or the coach? They think they can just go through the motions and come out victorious. There is a big difference in effort between team like this and champions.

[BostonWu]

MK owes the fans an apology for his sanctimonious lecturing

[Kung Wu]

At this point there is absolutely no difference between fHCIB and HCPM.

Their offenses are identical: Let a guard shoot us out of a game by driving into double or triple team defenses until we lose. Then sprinkle in an occasional chuck from 3 point land by a player with the lowest 3 point percentage on the court.

We SHOULD be throwing a Lobapalooza concert every single game, until the opponents prove they can stop the QB lob-dunk, but nope. We don't give it to the guy that finishes at .70 clip. We just let guards try and "get theirs".

QB runs the court then gets his hand up communicating that he's ready, but instead we see a guard bounce wildly off 2 dudes that are both 1 ft taller than him, over and over and over and over.

The boys showed no fire until Quincy Acy had the reigns at one of the timeouts and got them fired up. They came out hair on fire after that and got back in it. Next timeout, HCPM sang them a sweet lullaby again completely putting them back to sleep with tactics instead of riding the adrenaline rush and keeping them motivated and amped up.

Quincy Acy may make a great head coach one day.

[BAShocker]

Watching the Shocks play defense the first 35 minutes last night vs. watching someone like Memphis play defense…we play like a junior high girls basketball team.

Don’t understand why we can’t play defense the last 5 minutes for the whole game. Well, yes I do…we play like the personality of the HC. No passion.

[ShockerFever]

How are the Shocker Faithful reacting to the game?

[Maizerunner08]

How are the Shocker Faithful reacting to the game?

I'll take a guess:

"Like you could coach better"
"KC is better than their record"
"This is only Mills' second season"
"You aren't a true fan"
"The players need time to gel"
"Insert some personal attack"
"Well, why don't you donate so we can get better players"

Someone will have to let me know if I'm close.

[WuDrWu]

Watching the Shocks play defense the first 35 minutes last night vs. watching someone like Memphis play defense…we play like a junior high girls basketball team.

Don’t understand why we can’t play defense the last 5 minutes for the whole game. Well, yes I do…we play like the personality of the HC. No passion.

You wish we played D like Memphis.........