WSU (10-14, 2-9), at ECU ((12-12, 5-6) GAME THREAD

[podunkboy]

Since we are already paying GM and IB can we reinstate them in their former positions?

Somewhere out in the basketball multiverse, this is still a thing, and WSU is a top-5 school and part of the Big 12.

[asiseeit]

One play really stood out to me last night when they had an unguarded player drive from the elbow straight in for an uncontested dunk while QB and a couple others just backed off. DR doesn't know where his man is half the time. 10 assists and fourteen turnovers..........they were 18-11.

[ShockHat]

Somewhere out in the basketball multiverse, this is still a thing, and WSU is a top-5 school and part of the Big 12.

If we’re talking about a multiverse, then there’s a version out there where I’m a better Steph curry who can make it from the free throw line at the other end of the court and am unguardable, and I win us a chip.

It’s a nice dream, but damn I find myself dreaming for something much smaller these days. Just to not fade completely irrelevancy and sadly enough we’re on the fast track for that.

[JVShocker]

Somewhere out in the basketball multiverse, this is still a thing, and WSU is a top-5 school and part of the Big 12.

I'm probably the only geek out super nerd here, but....

[ShockRef]

2-10 in this godforsaken league...ugh.

Well, the faintest glimmer this team could avoid the dreaded Wednesday play-in games was extinguished last night.

With last nights effort in mind, hold out little hope against Charlotte on Sunday.

They may win a couple more games, Rice, Temple and Tulsa come to mind, but that's about it.

So you say baseball season starts today. I'm ready for it.

That is all.

[pinstripers]

“I don’t know what it was, maybe just bad energy,”

https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article285556442.html

[Stickboy46]

“I don’t know what it was, maybe just bad energy,”

https://www.kansas.com/sports/colleg...285556442.html

Crazy how that just keeps happening and they act like its a surprise!

[Dan]

I generally try not to be a pile on type of person, but...."We'll feel this one".....????????????????????????
How have you not felt EVERY one???? To me the microcosm of the season is the first 20 seconds of the FAU overtime...outhustled for a layup, then the LAZIEST pass ever....down 4 in 20 seconds...
This team has to grind 1000% of the time....and the coaches have to grind 1000% of the time.....and they don't ...

You'll hate this...the Shockers were better with IB.......

IB was a worse coach but had far superior players. We had 4 NBA caliber players on his first team (of course 3G leftovers), but still, IB was instrumental in the recruiting process. IB was a good recruiter, and maybe a good 3rd assistant but he should have never been promoted to HC. That's whey we are where we are now. I actually like the offense we run now, we just have horrible players. Some of them could be hidden on more talented teams but many of them should be playing at a lower level. 3G would never put up with the type of boneheaded plays our guys exhibited last night. You can't really shake up the lineup because the next guys down are just as bad or worse (I'm leaving Joy out of this until proven otherwise).

[JVShocker]

“I don’t know what it was, maybe just bad energy,”

https://www.kansas.com/sports/colleg...285556442.html

Thankfully, I don't have a subscription and can't read the article. To be honest, if the "bad energy" comment is in any way from the mouth of HCPM, I have news for you. You've lost this team. The players are an extension of the coach. I've not coached D1 basketball, but I'm a parent, I've been a leader, and I've been a coach at other levels (and some would say that coaching even younger student athletes is even more challenging). You lead by example and the energy that you bring. You have to have expectations that things will be done. There is accountability. Not seeing it at the present.

[Singeril]

“I don’t know what it was, maybe just bad energy,”

https://www.kansas.com/sports/colleg...285556442.html

So SICK of this emotional GARBAGE coming from the coach and players. Man up!

[Dan]

Thankfully, I don't have a subscription and can't read the article. To be honest, if the "bad energy" comment is in any way from the mouth of HCPM, I have news for you. You've lost this team. The players are an extension of the coach. I've not coached D1 basketball, but I'm a parent, I've been a leader, and I've been a coach at other levels (and some would say that coaching even younger student athletes is even more challenging). You lead by example and the energy that you bring. You have to have expectations that things will be done. There is accountability. Not seeing it at the present.

it was from Colby

https://news.yahoo.com/ll-feel-one-wichita-state-110300881.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

[Atxshoxfan]

IB was a worse coach but had far superior players. We had 4 NBA caliber players on his first team (of course 3G leftovers), but still, IB was instrumental in the recruiting process. IB was a good recruiter, and maybe a good 3rd assistant but he should have never been promoted to HC. That's whey we are where we are now. I actually like the offense we run now, we just have horrible players. Some of them could be hidden on more talented teams but many of them should be playing at a lower level. 3G would never put up with the type of boneheaded plays our guys exhibited last night. You can't really shake up the lineup because the next guys down are just as bad or worse (I'm leaving Joy out of this until proven otherwise).

You may like the offense we run. But this offense requires the team to create and take advantage of mismatches. Problem is every player we have is worse vs our opponents worst player. The dribble penetration is a joke because none of our guys can keep their head up to find the open teammates. We consistently draw 3-4 defenders when we drive the lane, only to throw up slop shots or give the ball away.
Way too much dribbling to suit my fancy

[Stickboy46]

IB was a worse coach but had far superior players. We had 4 NBA caliber players on his first team (of course 3G leftovers), but still, IB was instrumental in the recruiting process. IB was a good recruiter, and maybe a good 3rd assistant but he should have never been promoted to HC. That's whey we are where we are now. I actually like the offense we run now, we just have horrible players. Some of them could be hidden on more talented teams but many of them should be playing at a lower level. 3G would never put up with the type of boneheaded plays our guys exhibited last night. You can't really shake up the lineup because the next guys down are just as bad or worse (I'm leaving Joy out of this until proven otherwise).

Molly's statement is still true. The shocks were better under IB. That's not really debatable at this point. I'm sure you are right that Mills is a better offensive coach. The problem is ... at least so far ... his recruiting is drastically worse ...and his ability to coach defense is also way worse. All of those coaching/recruiting flaws has resulted in the worst Shocker product on the floor in decades.

Mills might be able to fix the recruiting part. Nothing in his history suggests he will fix the defense part. So lets hope he can knock it out of the park in recruiting.

[rjl]

Any of Isaac Brown's teams would beat this team at least 8 times out of 10.

I have said this before, but every passing week I feel like it's more and more true.

I agree that Isaac Brown did not look like the guy, but in retrospect it was a huge mistake to not give him one more season. Maybe he turns it around and the team greatly improves? Probably not.

But it would have been a hell of a lot cheaper to fire him after this season than it was to fire him after last. And maybe we could have gotten a coach that didn't ride the tails of one all-time lottery ticket recruit.

I think even the most ardent Isaac Brown haters were a little surprised when he was let go last offseason. Most - if not all - of those people probably thought that meant we had a home run lined up. Sike.

I don't even buy that Mills is a better coach than Brown. A good coach knows how to take what he's got and do something with them. If these players are incapable of running Mills' schemes, Mills needs to draw up different schemes that suit these players.

[Dan]

Molly's statement is still true. The shocks were better under IB. That's not really debatable at this point. I'm sure you are right that Mills is a better offensive coach. The problem is ... at least so far ... his recruiting is drastically worse ...and his ability to coach defense is also way worse. All of those coaching/recruiting flaws has resulted in the worst Shocker product on the floor in decades.

Mills might be able to fix the recruiting part. Nothing in his history suggests he will fix the defense part. So lets hope he can knock it out of the park in recruiting.

I agree, hanging my hat on hope. Had IB stayed, we’d still have better talent and mediocre results. Keeping him was not an option. If we can Baylor level talent, we’ll be ok, otherwise we might just be a Memphis JV team. I have a hunch Mills can’t recruit though and doesn’t have the right people in place to pull it off.