Wichita State: vs SMU (02/12/23)

[shock-it-to-me]

I would imagine a lot of people are like me, I route like hell for the team every game. But when it's over and they lose, it does make me feel better knowing that that gets us one step closer to a new coach.

[Kung Wu]

Porter deserves our absolute best as fans. So does Pohto and Walton. They're working their asses off to get better. The team might not win, but there's some guys on this team giving it all they have, and I'm cheering for them to the bitter end as I always have. I'm going to miss CPjr big time.

[1972Shocker]

The wins may be hard to come by over the next 4 games. @ Temple, vs Memphis, @ Tulane and @ Houston.

[SubGod22]

The wins may be hard to come by over the next 4 games. @ Temple, vs Memphis, @ Tulane and @ Houston.

L, L, L, L

[Atxshoxfan]

I do now and always have cheered when WSU makes good plays with hustle or just good smart plays. I used to get POed when they screwed up. Now I laugh when the screw up. Telling?

[ShockerFever]

Can't lose big if you don't bet big .. i generally just bet weird parlays with low entry costs. Point being, i don't feel right rooting against the shocks.

My winning bet from yesterday:
Shock ML
Walton 10+ pts
CPJ 10+ pts
CPJ over 12.5 pts
WSU to win and walton to score 15+
Over 139.5

nice 6x payout

What are you gonna spend your $6 on?

[ShockerFever]

If the majority of people think IB is gone as indicated in the poll (even though it is somewhat close) what harm is there in rooting for the team in an effort to win some games and make this a positive experience for our players, especially the ones we have a chance of keeping? It ain’t like we are getting the number one draft pick.

I think a lot of people want to remove any and all doubt about possible keeping IB for another year. It’s a short term, long term situation. Sure, it’s nice to have feel-good wins. It’s a short term win and high. But if this program wants to move forward and have any hope of digging out from the depths that it is in, then having IB continue to roam the sidelines would be a long term detriment to the program. Unless we’re settling for mediocrity now.

[BostonWu]

If the majority of people think IB is gone as indicated in the poll (even though it is somewhat close) what harm is there in rooting for the team in an effort to win some games and make this a positive experience for our players, especially the ones we have a chance of keeping? It ain’t like we are getting the number one draft pick.

Because it's far from a foregone conclusion.

[ShockingButTrue]

Lost in all the Shockernet hoopla was a nod to Pohto's outstanding game (it was mentioned somewhat). When is the last time a Shocker shot 87% from the field at 10+ shots? Mo? That move at approx. 3:45 (or close to it) of the second OT had me beside myself. Forget Adibbe's 360, that was a 720! Man, I'd hate to lose him.

He is seeing the w-h-o-l-e court right now. Zen Vision, just like Ty Webb on the 9th...

[jcdshocker]

I went to game and stayed to the end as I always do. When I got home, I started the dvr and watched the Super Bowl from the beginning. The only thing I missed were the commercials as I buzzed through them. No issues at all. Go Chiefs! Heck of a game.

I support the team because I want to. If you don’t like that, and you just want to complain, your loss. Not mine. Like Kevin Saul listens to a bunch of fair weathered fans that don’t contribute to SASO or the Athletic Dept. But you can punch a mean keyboard. All the cool kids think bashing the BB program makes you fit in with the crowd.

I don’t like the current product either. Changes are needed. But I still support it. My choice. Don’t criticize people like me that choose to do this.

End of rant.

[molly jabali]

I went to game and stayed to the end as I always do. When I got home, I started the dvr and watched the Super Bowl from the beginning. The only thing I missed were the commercials as I buzzed through them. No issues at all. Go Chiefs! Heck of a game.

I support the team because I want to. If you don’t like that, and you just want to complain, your loss. Not mine. Like Kevin Saul listens to a bunch of fair weathered fans that don’t contribute to SASO or the Athletic Dept. But you can punch a mean keyboard. All the cool kids think bashing the BB program makes you fit in with the crowd.

I don’t like the current product either. Changes are needed. But I still support it. My choice. Don’t criticize people like me that choose to do this.

End of rant.

Thank you… common sense…

[ShockerFever]

I went to game and stayed to the end as I always do. When I got home, I started the dvr and watched the Super Bowl from the beginning. The only thing I missed were the commercials as I buzzed through them. No issues at all. Go Chiefs! Heck of a game.

I support the team because I want to. If you don’t like that, and you just want to complain, your loss. Not mine. Like Kevin Saul listens to a bunch of fair weathered fans that don’t contribute to SASO or the Athletic Dept. But you can punch a mean keyboard. All the cool kids think bashing the BB program makes you fit in with the crowd.

I don’t like the current product either. Changes are needed. But I still support it. My choice. Don’t criticize people like me that choose to do this.

End of rant.

You mad, bro?

[SubGod22]

I went to game and stayed to the end as I always do. When I got home, I started the dvr and watched the Super Bowl from the beginning. The only thing I missed were the commercials as I buzzed through them. No issues at all. Go Chiefs! Heck of a game.

I support the team because I want to. If you don’t like that, and you just want to complain, your loss. Not mine. Like Kevin Saul listens to a bunch of fair weathered fans that don’t contribute to SASO or the Athletic Dept. But you can punch a mean keyboard. All the cool kids think bashing the BB program makes you fit in with the crowd.

I don’t like the current product either. Changes are needed. But I still support it. My choice. Don’t criticize people like me that choose to do this.

End of rant.

Yet you choose to criticize those that won't financially support the program with who's in charge and the trajectory it's going.

If Saal doesn't care about people who aren't paying into SASO or the Athletic Department, he's going to have even fewer people to care about next year if he keeps IB around. The problem from that side is there are fewer people contributing this year than last. He certainly should care about those that are no longer investing in the program. If he doesn't, then he won't have a job for long and the program will just continue to get worse.

Also, I don't think anyone has criticized the people who choose to keep spending money. So I'm not sure where you're getting all bent out of shape there.

The problem is fewer people are showing up and investing. Us "fair weather fans" as you call us simply see us spending more money on a failing product as a waste of our time and resources. You seem awfully judgemental towards those of us that choose to not invest in something we see as bad. Many want to invest again and are waiting to do so when there are signs that a change of direction is taking place and there's reason to hope again.

I'm not sorry that I utilize my resources to the best of my ability and that my entertainment dollars are going to be spent on something I can fully enjoy. Right now, that's not Shocker basketball. I've attended a lot of games the past 20 years. Was a season ticket holder for a few until I couldn't really afford to give that time and money, though I still attended a lot of games. I've traveled to STL a number of times, some of those for Thursday basketball.

I don't like the product. Changes are needed. I won't throw my hard earned money at a failing product. My choice. Don't criticize people like me that choose to do this.

[Stickboy46]

Yet you choose to criticize those that won't financially support the program with who's in charge and the trajectory it's going.

If Saal doesn't care about people who aren't paying into SASO or the Athletic Department, he's going to have even fewer people to care about next year if he keeps IB around. The problem from that side is there are fewer people contributing this year than last. He certainly should care about those that are no longer investing in the program. If he doesn't, then he won't have a job for long and the program will just continue to get worse.

Also, I don't think anyone has criticized the people who choose to keep spending money. So I'm not sure where you're getting all bent out of shape there.

The problem is fewer people are showing up and investing. Us "fair weather fans" as you call us simply see us spending more money on a failing product as a waste of our time and resources. You seem awfully judgemental towards those of us that choose to not invest in something we see as bad. Many want to invest again and are waiting to do so when there are signs that a change of direction is taking place and there's reason to hope again.

I'm not sorry that I utilize my resources to the best of my ability and that my entertainment dollars are going to be spent on something I can fully enjoy. Right now, that's not Shocker basketball. I've attended a lot of games the past 20 years. Was a season ticket holder for a few until I couldn't really afford to give that time and money, though I still attended a lot of games. I've traveled to STL a number of times, some of those for Thursday basketball.

I don't like the product. Changes are needed. I won't throw my hard earned money at a failing product. My choice. Don't criticize people like me that choose to do this.

I think ADKS is smart enough to realize there are 3 types of fans

1. People that will donate through thick and thin, go to games no matter. Their complaints matter.
2. People that will go to games and donate when the team is going the direction they like. Their complaints really matter
3. People that will never go to games and never donate but are very quick to demand changes for every little thing. Their complaints don't matter.

1 and 2 are important ... 3 not so much .. we have a handful of all 3 buckets on this forum.

[ShockingButTrue]

I have posted several times on this board I'm giving HCIB 3 years. Is his 3 years up? No.

Do I want WSU to win 4 of their last 5? Yes. Make it to the Championship of the postseason AAC tournament? Yes. Maybe get an NIT bid, and make it to Madison Sq. Garden? Yes. Keep Pohto and Walton? Hell yes! Bring in a top 100 point guard to give the ball to at the end of tight games (since most are)? Who wouldn't (I won't name no names)? So, today, I support the team and the Head Coach. An honest evaluation will be presented the second weekend of March, realistically Friday or Saturday (most probably before the NIT field is even announced), but man, all those empty seats last Sunday...