Dispelling the Carl Hall rumors

[Aargh]

Should know something by Friday. It's up in the air.

It's amazing how we keep getting all these new posters with "inside information".

swiltar71, you may have accurate info that's not available to the public, but until you have a track record of providing accurate info, you won't find many here who will believe you. There have been too many posers over the years.

The other thing that will make people not believe your post is that those with inside info don't share that info with the public. Sharing confidential info is a certain way to not be given any more "private" info.

[Ta town]

It's amazing how we keep getting all these new posters with "inside information".

swiltar71, you may have accurate info that's not available to the public, but until you have a track record of providing accurate info, you won't find many here who will believe you. There have been too many posers over the years.

The other thing that will make people not believe your post is that those with inside info don't share that info with the public. Sharing confidential info is a certain way to not be given any more "private" info.

Geez, cry some?

After Friday this guy will have a track record one way or another. Why are you so angry?

[proshox]

Aargh, what is the point of your post? Are you trying to discourage people with information from posting? You can't have a track record without first building one.

Also, (watcher and dr) it is not inconceivable that HCGM would have missed this. Mistakes are made everyday by professionals and I do not expect him to be perfect.

[The Mad Hatter]

Also, (watcher and dr) it is not inconceivable that HCGM would have missed this. Mistakes are made everyday by professionals and I do not expect him to be perfect.

I find it pretty hard to believe that he wouldn't know about it. Between knowing that Carl was substantially older than the average player in his class and knowing about his heart condition, I can't believe they wouldn't have investigated his background and anyone that saw his background of being in JUCO two extra years would see the 5 year clock issue on the horizon.

There are things that get missed, but the heart condition was definitely going to get people to do extra homework on Carl. I really doubt this was an unknown.

[ShockerGorilla]

IIRC, KU didn't find out from the NCAA until late in the summer last year that one of their freshmen was ineligible . It could be that way here too with CH.

[proshox]

I find it pretty hard to believe that he wouldn't know about it. Between knowing that Carl was substantially older than the average player in his class and knowing about his heart condition, I can't believe they wouldn't have investigated his background and anyone that saw his background of being in JUCO two extra years would see the 5 year clock issue on the horizon.

There are things that get missed, but the heart condition was definitely going to get people to do extra homework on Carl. I really doubt this was an unknown.

While it should have been caught or known about, it isn't INCONCEIVABLE to think HCGM and his staff overlooked the issue. I believe we are going after experience experienced post players like there is no tomorrow and it seems to be a result of this eligibility issue. If this was a known risk one year ago, I would have expected the staff to focus on recruiting an experienced JUCO post player from day one.

I see highly compensated & respected professionals make mistakes like this single day. It isn’t out of the question that for HCGM or his staff to do the same thing. Especially, when chasing a talent like Carl.

[WSUwatcher]

"Mistakes like this," proshox? This would be a pretty big one with lots of red flags that are becoming apparent now to us but would have been visible to a good recruiter from the start. I don't know for sure, obviously, but what I do know from my personal experience with a few successful college coaches is that it's very hard for a fan, even a studious and knowledgeable one, to know something a coach hasn't already thought of. So I'm comfortable with the term 'inconceivable" that this hit the staff from out of nowhere. No question that coaches make mistakes and do dumb things -- I see that, too, especially during football season when guys go for two after a touchdown in situations where it makes no sense whatsoever and there's really no esoteric coaching knowledge that could possibly be relevant. But I'm equally as confident that this wasn't one of them.

And speaking of not knowing, what makes you think WSU hasn't been recruiting experienced bigs all along, for a variety of reasons, including this one, and that as outsiders we simply weren't aware of it?

[RoyalShock]

It's amazing how we keep getting all these new posters with "inside information".

swiltar71, you may have accurate info that's not available to the public, but until you have a track record of providing accurate info, you won't find many here who will believe you. There have been too many posers over the years.

The other thing that will make people not believe your post is that those with inside info don't share that info with the public. Sharing confidential info is a certain way to not be given any more "private" info.

@swiltar71: was one who confirmed the Hall rumor before it was in the paper. I'd say he is already working on a good track record.

[Aargh]

Geez, cry some?

After Friday this guy will have a track record one way or another. Why are you so angry?

Aargh, what is the point of your post? Are you trying to discourage people with information from posting? You can't have a track record without first building one.

Also, (watcher and dr) it is not inconceivable that HCGM would have missed this. Mistakes are made everyday by professionals and I do not expect him to be perfect.

#1 - People who get information and immediately set up a ShockerNet account and post that info on the Internet, tend to no longer get information.

#2 - The people who get info from the staff NEVER put up specifics. They put up generalized statements. Maybe something like "It looks like we'll know sooner than we would have expected". Maybe the post recruits have been asked to wait until at least Friday before they sign an LOI with anyone. Then it would make sense for there being a decision on Hall by Friday, but if that's the case, that info should never be made available on the Net.

#3 - I've had many friends who were FB or BB players at WSU. They are celebrities. They do and say a lot of things among their friends that they trust will go no further. If you are friends of athletes, please respect their privacy.

#4 - If the decision will be made Friday and the staff wants that known by the public, the staff can easily make an announcement. So, the "Friday" thing appears to be either something the staff doesn't want to discuss, or it's a rumor. One recruit from MSU tweeted that he was going to be playing in C-USA. That single tweet started a 4-month avalanche of rumors that MSU was moving to CUSA.

[jcdshocker]

Why do the number of posts on this board equate to being legit or well informed? I never will understand certain people and how the value other people's opinions or how reliable they may be, because of how many times they post on a board. No offense intended Sub and Doc. :)

[WuDrWu]

Also, (watcher and dr) it is not inconceivable that HCGM would have missed this. Mistakes are made everyday by professionals and I do not expect him to be perfect.

In no way, shape or form do I think HCGM is infallible and I don't expect him to be perfect any more than I expect myself to be perfect, and I'm damned far from it. I'll agree it's not inconceivable...but my comment was based on fact and not speculation, in this particular case. They knew, period.

[WuDrWu]

Why do the number of posts on this board equate to being legit or well informed? I never will understand certain people and how the value other people's opinions or how reliable they may be, because of how many times they post on a board. No offense intended Sub and Doc. :)

None taken here. I've been wrong before, and I will be again.

[SubGod22]

Why do the number of posts on this board equate to being legit or well informed? I never will understand certain people and how the value other people's opinions or how reliable they may be, because of how many times they post on a board. No offense intended Sub and Doc. :)

Number of posts don't matter except that you've built more of a reputation one way or the other. Those with few, if any, posts that post insider info are going to be questioned as they haven't established a record. Nobody is telling them they don't know anything.

If someone like Doc or trop or DTSB say something, I'm inclined to believe it has legs. If someone who's never posted before says something, I'm less likely to give it much legitimacy. I'm not going to jump on them for sharing, but I'm not going to get overly excited as there's no track record.

With this issue, I'd be shocked if the NCAA has given any kind of time table on it. That would make too much sense and doesn't go with what I know and have experienced with them.

[rjl]

If you want inside info you need to be in a position of trust. Can I trust you?

Well then...

Position of trust club inside info

[jocoshock]

Anohter crazy situation where a player loses a year of eligibility...

Montana State forward loses senior year over mindless NCAA decision

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18842012/montana-state-forward-loses-senior-year-over-mindless-ncaa-decision