2022-23 NOMINATIONS: "Cone of Fame"

[Atxshoxfan]

Some of you guys can conduct a Kangaroo court with the best of them.
There is the fact that after having a long conversation with the athlete, the BYU AD believed her completely.

I obviously don't know what was or wasn't said but the way in which some of you arrive at your preferred conclusions is entertaining and interesting to say the least.

I'm not giving my verdict, but don't you think it's odd that the accused denies it, and BYU can't come up with a single witness. So that makes it very suspicious in my eyes. Probably a misunderstanding of what the fan was saying on the part of the player who was on the court, not in the stands with the fan.
I believe that South Carolina is guilty of making a verdict though. It's unbelievable that they would cancel their game based on a fans action whether the allegation is true or false.
As I originally stated. Guilty by accusation is the new norm.

[Shocker_Power]

I'm not giving my verdict, but don't you think it's odd that the accused denies it, and BYU can't come up with a single witness. So that makes it very suspicious in my eyes. Probably a misunderstanding of what the fan was saying on the part of the player who was on the court, not in the stands with the fan.
I believe that South Carolina is guilty of making a verdict though. It's unbelievable that they would cancel their game based on a fans action whether the allegation is true or false.
As I originally stated. Guilty by accusation is the new norm.

If you were a witness, would you speak up? If you did, and didn't say or do anything at the time of the incident, would that make you a racist or a coward?

[ShockTalk]

Some of you guys can conduct a Kangaroo court with the best of them.
There is the fact that after having a long conversation with the athlete, the BYU AD believed her completely.

I obviously don't know what was or wasn't said but the way in which some of you arrive at your preferred conclusions is entertaining and interesting to say the least.

If the AD had not believed her (or just not had enough other evidence) and didn't speak up, then can you imagine the fallout. BYU might have been lucky to get any game with any opponent in any sport. In today's "guilty until proven innocent" if you are on the "wrong side", it was the only thing he could, and should have done.

South Carolina has absolutely no reason not to play BYU. If it happened (and that is important) and was a fan, what does that have anything to do with BYU athletics? Just tell me why what South Carolina did was justified. If it is not, they should face penalties.

My whole basis is your "obviously don't know what was or wasn't said" and that is exactly where this whole situation should be judged from.

[ShockTalk]

If you were a witness, would you speak up? If you did, and didn't say or do anything at the time of the incident, would that make you a racist or a coward?

If I was a witness and sure of what was said, yes, I would speak up. But I'd have to be totally sure. My biggest problem is should a word be taboo for one race to say, but totally OK for another race to the point of it being said in public, radio, TV, in groups where it can be heard by those of a different race. Shouldn't justice be blind?

[WstateU]

If I was a witness and sure of what was said, yes, I would speak up. But I'd have to be totally sure. My biggest problem is should a word be taboo for one race to say, but totally OK for another race to the point of it being said in public, radio, TV, in groups where it can be heard by those of a different race. Shouldn't justice be blind?

My wife and I had that very conversation earlier today. We both hate the “N” word and believe it should be stricken from society. However, the race that hates it, uses it the most. Totally dumbfounding.

[WuShock16]

My wife and I had that very conversation earlier today. We both hate the “N” word and believe it should be stricken from society. However, the race that hates it, uses it the most. Totally dumbfounding.

I had an African-American Raiders fan (early 20s age, I think) sitting behind me at the Broncos-Raiders game in Denver last year. Mind you, that was the first Raiders game after Gruden resigned/got fired/whatever after his racist-deemed controversy.

Dude was spewing a bunch of awful language, including that n-word. At a couple points, I told him to knock it off. I even texted security, though they probably had bigger fish to fry. Had my young son been with me, I would have made a bigger stink about it and gotten that jackhole ejected from the game.

What absolutely pissed me off was that if the roles were reversed and it was me using that abhorrent language, I am quite sure that I would have been ejected and lost my tickets quicker than you could say “Colin Kaepernick.”

[WuDrWu]

Different rules for different people.

Remember the last episode of Seinfeld? They made fun of the new whistleblower law. You now have expectations to "do" and if you don't, you will be punished, whether in a court of law, civilly or socially. But only if you're in specific groups. It's been growing for years and now it's out of hand.

My guess is that everyone here and the vast majority of Americans believe in equality (and by vast I mean 99.9%+). But equality is not what we legislate. We now legislate equity or equal outcome. That will fail, miserably. The only question is if it will fail with the citizens rising up against the centralized government or the other way around. It's depressing and sad. All in the name of bleeding heart liberals that are the true racists because they believe certain segments of the population are incapable of success. Arrogance is such a sin.

[WuDrWu]

Some of you guys can conduct a Kangaroo court with the best of them.
There is the fact that after having a long conversation with the athlete, the BYU AD believed her completely.

I obviously don't know what was or wasn't said but the way in which some of you arrive at your preferred conclusions is entertaining and interesting to say the least.

I don't have a preferred conclusion (although I admit that I don't want to see bad things, no matter which "side" they come from...I just don't like misery), I just want the truth and I don't want myself or anyone else lumped in with all this guilt by association.

Regarding the SC Coach, I wonder if anyone will remind Dawn about the time she defended Gamecock fans immediately and fully when they were accused of the same (worse actually because they were accused of spitting on players as well) and according to her that was a lie and didn't happen, period. Again, rules for thee, not for me.

[Shockm]

I don't know what happened from media reports.

However, the BYU AD probably would have been better off if he had conducted a quiet investigation, and the next day (and later games if necessary), had better security in the student section to monitor what was going on.

Surely, they had video of who was in the student section, and then ID'd the alleged culprits, and quietly investigated the students surrounding these alleged wrong doers. Then he could have presented his findings and the correct punishments/apologies after his findings.

Coming out to the media so quickly and with the publicity surrounding his speech, may have caused more harm than good.

[Topshock]

That has been a good discussion. When there is truth and validity to what everyone says it makes for good dialogue.

[Kel Varnsen]

Somewhat related, I caught a portion of South Carolina’s games in the Final Four this past year, and Staley seemed like an insufferable b-i-itch. And no one can question her because she’s a “strong black woman.”

[ShockingButTrue]

I'm not giving my verdict, but don't you think it's odd that the accused denies it, and BYU can't come up with a single witness. So that makes it very suspicious in my eyes. Probably a misunderstanding of what the fan was saying on the part of the player who was on the court, not in the stands with the fan.
I believe that South Carolina is guilty of making a verdict though. It's unbelievable that they would cancel their game based on a fans action whether the allegation is true or false.
As I originally stated. Guilty by accusation is the new norm.

Cancel the game? It's called equity. It makes perfect sense.

[WuDrWu]

Somewhat related, I caught a portion of South Carolina’s games in the Final Four this past year, and Staley seemed like an insufferable b-i-itch. And no one can question her because she’s a “strong black woman.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/01/31/south-carolina-womens-basketball-coach-denies-fans-used-n-word-and-spat-at-visiting-team/

There's ton to digest in this incident, but Missouri AD complains about crowd (n word and spitting among other general poor behavior). Staley says no, didn't happen. Missouri AD (and former player tweeted about the spitting incident) accuses Staley of fostering the environment at SC. Staley sues for defamation and settles for a 50K check. SEC gives Missouri AD a rip.

Jim Sterk identifies as a white male, so I'm sure he made it up to try and get someone in trouble.

[Atxshoxfan]

If you were a witness, would you speak up? If you did, and didn't say or do anything at the time of the incident, would that make you a racist or a coward?

Where is this coming from? Yes I would speak up. And no that doesn't make anyone a racist. I can't imagine that out of all the people who were sitting near this fan, not one would speak up. The fact that the player heard it from the court, you would think someone near the fan would have heard it too.
I'm tired of these ignorant accusations of racism.
I wipe my ass and the paper turns brown, I flush it down the toilet, so I guess I'm racist. Pathetic BS around us these days.
Also let it be known, to be a racist is not a crime in and of itself., Even though some are trying to make it one.

[Atxshoxfan]

I don't know what happened from media reports.

However, the BYU AD probably would have been better off if he had conducted a quiet investigation, and the next day (and later games if necessary), had better security in the student section to monitor what was going on.

Surely, they had video of who was in the student section, and then ID'd the alleged culprits, and quietly investigated the students surrounding these alleged wrong doers. Then he could have presented his findings and the correct punishments/apologies after his findings.

Coming out to the media so quickly and with the publicity surrounding his speech, may have caused more harm than good.

Now, this is absolutely how it should have been handled.