This is how you win the MVC DPOY award:

[im4wsu]

All I need to look at is the position of the ogre's feet as contact is made. He has come from a ready stance to a step forward with athority stride-- not a basketball rebounding move and certainly, IMHO, can easily be construed to be intent.

Similarly with the contact at the shoulder increasing to the head. Ogre would have to jump to begin contact at the throat, we all know he an't jump, and if he wcould, he would lose all the authoritative momentum he trying to assert. So he continues up and through, a very good offensive tackle movement.

[Kung Wu]

All I need to look at is the position of the ogre's feet as contact is made. He has come from a ready stance to a step forward with athority stride-- not a basketball rebounding move and certainly, IMHO, can easily be construed to be intent.

Similarly with the contact at the shoulder increasing to the head. Ogre would have to jump to begin contact at the throat, we all know he an't jump, and if he wcould, he would lose all the authoritative momentum he trying to assert. So he continues up and through, a very good offensive tackle movement.

This description sort of reminds me of the JFK assassination analysis: Back and to the left. Back .. and to the left.

[im4wsu]

This description sort of reminds me of the JFK assassination analysis: Back and to the left. Back .. and to the left.

[1972Shocker]

I would like to offer a compromise position to the flop vs non-flop argument. Intent is always difficult to establish although I think it was pretty clear GE made a non-basketball move. Let's just say Zeller didn't flop, but he did duck. Whether a boxing official would have ruled it a slip or a knock-down I don't know.

In any case Coach McDermott said the play was unacceptable. Some have said he was just be conciliatory publicly. Maybe, but that is his stated position and he did not say the same thing about the Gibbs hacking play or Wragge hard foul on the UNC point guard. Nor did Roy Williams have any issues with those two incidents.

At this point though I doubt that either side is going to convince the other and maybe we should just move on. After all letting a broken record play on and on and on tends to get annoying after a while.

[TheYeti]

The only definitive thing that the replay of the GE/Zeller play shows me, in great detail, is the character of BOTH players, and by extension, the character of their coaches. Wasn't a big fan of either player before this incident, and it only confirms to me why.