2022 NCAA Tournament Discussion

[ShockingButTrue]

Wow, you have some serious issues man. As fun as this has been, ta ta for now.

Bye

[WuTheOne]

The original post is pages back, but the content was that the NBA plays one dribbler and 4 guys standing on the 3-point line. that's what guys coming into college ball have been watching, what they want to emulate, and the way they want to play when they get to college. A lot of teams in the tourney play a similar game.

Porter was the only Shocker who could dribble reliably and there were only two who were a threat from the 3-point line. Feeding Udeze and hoping he didn't turn it over was the best offense the Shox had with the personnel on the roster. Roster needs some serious upgrades. Dennis and Etienne need to learn how to dribble while moving, Council needs to learn he's not dribbling past HS guys any more.

Grant and Pleasant were portal misses. Got to do better there this year.

[ShockingButTrue]

Porter was the only Shocker who could dribble reliably and there were only two who were a threat from the 3-point line. Feeding Udeze and hoping he didn't turn it over was the best offense the Shox had with the personnel on the roster. Roster needs some serious upgrades. Dennis and Etienne need to learn how to dribble while moving, Council needs to learn he's not dribbling past HS guys any more.

Well, being as RCIV and TE (were those the 3 point threats?) both had more turnovers than Mo on the season I'd say WSU's perimeter game was less effective than their interior attack. Shooting percentage's will bear that out too. Just sayin'. Porter is a serviceable ball handler. Possibly on the level of a Jamarius Burton, who was a capable point guard when forced into the starting role. Jamarius had a little more burst, and could work on the baseline. It's a fair comparison.

Usually the bigs' are gonna' have more turnovers than the guards as a rule, but that isn't the case here. Just the opposite happened this season for the Shocks. That explains a lot.

[TheShocktocles]

Don't thank me for exposing you for being a liar. You deserve all the credit. I just brought it to the light.

You're probably a Chicken fan too, eh? Don't lie... Oh, wait...

LMAO. One thing is for sure, he has got some mental issues. I hope. he gets the help he needs.

[TheShocktocles]

Well, being as RCIV and TE (were those the 3 point threats?) both had more turnovers than Mo on the season I'd say WSU's perimeter game was less effective than their interior attack. Shooting percentage's will bear that out too. Just sayin'. Porter is a serviceable ball handler. Possibly on the level of a Jamarius Burton, who was a capable point guard when forced into the starting role. Jamarius had a little more burst, and could work on the baseline. It's a fair comparison.

Usually the bigs' are gonna' have more turnovers than the guards as a rule, but that isn't the case here. Just the opposite happened this season for the Shocks. That explains a lot.

BINGO!!!!!!!!

[Atxshoxfan]

I believe you'll find guards generally have more to''s/ game but less to"s/touch.

[Woodrow]

Well, being as RCIV and TE (were those the 3 point threats?) both had more turnovers than Mo on the season I'd say WSU's perimeter game was less effective than their interior attack. Shooting percentage's will bear that out too. Just sayin'. Porter is a serviceable ball handler. Possibly on the level of a Jamarius Burton, who was a capable point guard when forced into the starting role. Jamarius had a little more burst, and could work on the baseline. It's a fair comparison.

Usually the bigs' are gonna' have more turnovers than the guards as a rule, but that isn't the case here. Just the opposite happened this season for the Shocks. That explains a lot.

You're getting turnovers and assists to turnovers confused. Bigs don't usually have as many total to's as guards because they don't handle the ball near as much. Mo had 13 assists and 52 turnovers. Porter had 91 assists and 48 turnovers. Tyson had 55 assists and 54 turnovers. Ricky had 45 assists and 60 turnovers. Ricky and Tyson were below average, Porter was about 2 to 1 which is good. Mo was a turnover machine. His turnovers per touch is terrible.

[Shocktoberfest]

You're getting turnovers and assists to turnovers confused. Bigs don't usually have as many total to's as guards because they don't handle the ball near as much. Mo had 13 assists and 52 turnovers. Porter had 91 assists and 48 turnovers. Tyson had 55 assists and 54 turnovers. Ricky had 45 assists and 60 turnovers. Ricky and Tyson were below average, Porter was about 2 to 1 which is good. Mo was a turnover machine. His turnovers per touch is terrible.

And Mo could fix that so easily. Truly. But gotta be a bulldozer.

[Maizerunner08]

I'm sure the local Walmarts are happy. T-shirt sales are probably doing really well this week.

[ShockingButTrue]

You're getting turnovers and assists to turnovers confused. Bigs don't usually have as many total to's as guards because they don't handle the ball near as much. Mo had 13 assists and 52 turnovers. Porter had 91 assists and 48 turnovers. Tyson had 55 assists and 54 turnovers. Ricky had 45 assists and 60 turnovers. Ricky and Tyson were below average, Porter was about 2 to 1 which is good. Mo was a turnover machine. His turnovers per touch is terrible.

I'm not referring to ATO. I'm referring to momentum killing, stupid turnovers. To say Mo was the worst in that dept. (stupid turnovers) is highly arguable, unless I watching a different WSU team than some others were. If those players have Net+ in ATO, Mo has a Net+ in effective shooting. Their TO stats show they were the worst on the team. Period. End of story.

My main point is that RCIV and TE had some flat-out embarrassing, and -ahem- unwise (kindly put), turnovers. If Monzy would have gotten more minutes is there any doubt he'd be the player leading the team in TO's, and moving Mo to 4th on the team instead of 3rd? WSU could do worse in the post, even with a 6'10" or 6'11" pivot, but I'm not sure the performance from the forwards this year could have been any worse. All of that matters only if someone wants to make a foolish argument out of it.

So, is your point that RCIV's and TE's (I didn't add Monzy or Pleasant) mindless, momentum killing, team leading, and frankly unforced, turnovers were acceptable but Mo's weren't? If so, you've lost me there. It was a team effort.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Who handles the ball more, a guard or a supposed big man? Why are we comparing guard TO numbers with a supposed big man's TO numbers? Talk about apples and oranges...

[TheShocktocles]

And Mo could fix that so easily. Truly. But gotta be a bulldozer.

He could fix his turnovers if he would just pass the ball back out of a double team. Instead he tries to spin, bulldoze, and gets the ball stripped. He is frustrating to watch this over and over and over again. Yikes!!!!!!

[ShockingButTrue]

Who handles the ball more, a guard or a supposed big man? Why are we comparing guard TO numbers with a supposed big man's TO numbers? Talk about apples and oranges...

Who's the better ball handler? That's why they're handling the ball. They're expected to protect the ball at a higher efficiency.

[ShockingButTrue]

He could fix his turnovers if he would just pass the ball back out of a double team. Instead he tries to spin, bulldoze, and gets the ball stripped. He is frustrating to watch this over and over and over again. Yikes!!!!!!

Now you know how I feel watching the guards and forwards turn the ball over (if one includes RCIV) when they ain't double teamed. But they sure are good at dribbling into double teams.

How are they gonna' fix their turnovers?

[TheShocktocles]

Now you know how I feel watching the guards and forwards turn the ball over (if one includes RCIV) when they ain't double teamed.

How are they gonna' fix their turnovers?

I hear you loud and clear. And I agree with you. But hey even if MU passed out of a double team, would our guards be able to knock down the shot? Or would they just turn it over. Last year shooting and turnovers stats for the guards were terrible.