Gregg Marshall Reprimanded by MVC

[DPruett2333]

Then where is the public reprimand of the officials when they fail to conduct business in a dignified manner? You, yourself, have argued that calls in the ISU game were likely made because an official lost his professionalism (albeit in an extremely emotional arena). I'm not saying that losing professionalism is a good idea (although, frankly there are times when something drastic has to be done to uproot institutionalized problems that a professional demeanor cannot solve). I am saying that when the league A) refuses to publicly criticize the officials for their loss of composure or B) do anything behind the scenes to assure that such losses of composure do not recur, then the league has lost the moral high ground to reprimand.

Also, for the record, according to your line of reasoning, Marshall's actions will have harmful long term effects. The only way this could be true is if the league was so unprofessional as to hold a personal vendetta against him for his statements. If that is the case, we circle back to the hypocrisy of reprimanding a coach for a loss of professionalism by a group that shows none themselves. If that is not the case, then perhaps Marshall dramatically calling the problem to attention was exactly what was needed for change to occur.

This.....times a thousand.

[Rlh04d]

C'mon Trop. I didn't hear anybody complaining about Kelly Self's reffing during the CReighton-WSU game in Omaha....

There absolutely was. The officiating was terrible in that game.

In fact, I had a similar problem with that game as to this one. Stutz and Hall combined for 35 minutes and 8 fouls in that game. EIGHT. GE had 28 minutes and one foul. EO had that many in 3 minutes played. That was very similar to the ISU game, where Stutz, Hall, and EO combined for 35 minutes and 11 fouls, while Wilkins had 24 minutes and not one single foul during game play. Those discrepancies are utterly massive in comparing guys that were defending one another in the post. You can't possibly expect me to believe that Wilkins never committed a single non-technical foul in that game while the Shockers big men he was defending had 10, or that GE was fouling once every 28 minutes while Shockers players were fouling every 4 minutes. Not to mention that GE wasn't called for that one foul until the Shockers were already up by 17 with 8 minutes left in the game and most of the WSU big guys were already in foul trouble.

Although to be fair, I think officiating is consistently terrible in the MVC. I don't remember ever being concerned about the referees in the ACC, even though I watch that conference just as much.

[thenightwatchman]

Why can't a loss just be a loss? There doesn't have to be a ref conspiracy every time someone wins or loses a close game.

[Shockitude]

C'mon Trop. I didn't hear anybody complaining about Kelly Self's reffing during the CReighton-WSU game in Omaha....

You didn't?

Check your Shockernet reading files again.

[Shockitude]

Why can't a loss just be a loss? There doesn't have to be a ref conspiracy every time someone wins or loses a close game.

That's some funny stuff coming from a KU elite. Do you really want me to go back and compile a list of threads that have been created at phagnet after your losses?

Don't EVEN go there.

[Kung Wu]

Why can't a loss just be a loss? There doesn't have to be a ref conspiracy every time someone wins or loses a close game.

People blamed HC3GM for not using his bench in the 3OT loss to Drake, not refs. Most reasonable people blamed our loss to Alabama on their freaking awesome defensive performance, not refs.

Aw screw this, why do I even respond to the TrollHawk?

[DoubleJayAlum]

http://shockernet.net/forum/showthre...in-Game-Thread

read through it, plenty of ref bashing, mainly about inside calls against Stutz and not GE...

You didn't?

Check your Shockernet reading files again.

There absolutely was. The officiating was terrible in that game.

In fact, I had a similar problem with that game as to this one. Stutz and Hall combined for 35 minutes and 8 fouls in that game. EIGHT. GE had 28 minutes and one foul. EO had that many in 3 minutes played. That was very similar to the ISU game, where Stutz, Hall, and EO combined for 35 minutes and 11 fouls, while Wilkins had 24 minutes and not one single foul during game play. Those discrepancies are utterly massive in comparing guys that were defending one another in the post. You can't possibly expect me to believe that Wilkins never committed a single non-technical foul in that game while the Shockers big men he was defending had 10, or that GE was fouling once every 28 minutes while Shockers players were fouling every 4 minutes. Not to mention that GE wasn't called for that one foul until the Shockers were already up by 17 with 8 minutes left in the game and most of the WSU big guys were already in foul trouble.

LOL, fair enough. Maybe instead I should ask for a list of officials that have called WSU games that you guys haven't complained about.... :)

[Shox21]

Come on DoubleJay. EVERY fanbase complains about refs after a close loss. The film of the game tells the truth. And if you try to tell me that WSU complains more than others (we are just more vocal about it than other boards) then I am going to take that as a compliment because it means our fans are far more passionate than other fanbases and that we care more when there seems to be inequities in the officiating.

[Rlh04d]

LOL, fair enough. Maybe instead I should ask for a list of officials that have called WSU games that you guys haven't complained about.... :)

It seems like Self seems to be a common link here. I haven't been on the forums for too long, but I don't recall too many referees being referred to as an issue by name, and he was called out as one before the ISU game.

I thought the officiating was bad on both sides of the Creighton/WSU game, actually, although the calls on the post play went entirely against us. And I think the bad officiating went both ways in the ISU game as well ... Wilkins didn't need to be thrown out of that game, and it was an overreaction by officials who had utterly lost control. Two players can't be on the ground as often as Stutz and Wilkins were without one of them being at fault at some point, but the officials ignored it until there was nearly a fight on the court.

I generally watch every WSU and FSU basketball game. I've never had the issues with ACC officials that I have with MVC officials. I get that the ACC is a bigger conference and can hire the better referees, but the difference in quality of officiating still seems pretty drastic.

[WuDrWu]

C'mon Trop. I didn't hear anybody complaining about Kelly Self's reffing during the CReighton-WSU game in Omaha....

Well when you walk out with your tail between your legs with 10 minutes left in the game, I can see how something like that would be a little above your pay grade.

[KC Shox]

Lets look at some key games that would have altered some possibilities the Shox had in recent years. The 1.9 second screw job in St. Louis. UCONN versus Shox in Hawaii. VCU last second call in the BB. ISU red versus Shox. Hey refs, why u no like WSU :)

[rjl]

LOL, fair enough. Maybe instead I should ask for a list of officials that have called WSU games that you guys haven't complained about.... :)

[thenightwatchman]

That's some funny stuff coming from a KU elite. Do you really want me to go back and compile a list of threads that have been created at phagnet after your losses?

Don't EVEN go there.

Huh? Bitching about the refs in a close game is practiced by every fanbase. We've all done it, but it's just not worth the time, especially since the Shocks will get a decent seed in the tourney and are destined to have a solid run, imo. I think the loss puts us under the radar again and will put that chip back on our shoulder. No doubt the team is going to be hungrier than ever once the tourney starts. It's going to be fun to watch.

[Shockitude]

LOL, fair enough. Maybe instead I should ask for a list of officials that have called WSU games that you guys haven't complained about.... :)

http://bluejayunderground.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=881&sid=3516bd274184cab3e67719d4cda047d9

Hypocrisy at its finest.

Gee, I didn't know elitist sCUm fans actually thought there was some officiating conspiracy against their beloved BJ's? I thought that's only a WSU thingy? Huh?


Respond to that ****, sCUm.

[Metalkatz]

I have sent an e-mail to Elgin as well. I would encourage all of you to do the same, let him know we support Gregg and his feelings about the game. Fill his e-mail box up.

I know this has been asked before, but what is his email address!? I tried looking for it the other day and couldnt find it. Send me a PM if its for some reason against board rules or something