Shockers-Redbirds Gamethread

[SubGod22]

Works on other sites. I'll fix it. Here's where you can register http://csnbbs.com/member.php?action=...referrer=33108

And for those interested, apparently you can't currently register with a free email address. They had a ton of problems with spam and now require new people to register with an email from a business or a school or an ISP or whatever. I was told that if that's a problem he may open registration up for a couple of days to freebie emails and if that happens I'll make sure to let everyone know. I've had a couple of emails from people who'd had problems trying to register so I messaged an admin and that's what I've got right now. They're looking into ways to improve it and cutting down on all the problems they were experiencing.

[kellykemnitz]

I sat in the student section and found the 10 second violation to be blatantly obvious. It was an incredible miss. For Higgins and Self, whom work big time games in BCS conferences, it almost seemed like the game was moving too fast for them. A missed 10 second violation should never occur, and although the count and the shot clock are performed by different operators, you can't tell me that the officials don't glance at the shot clock to verify their count.

[ShockRef]

Kelly,
We do monitor the game and shot clock at all times.

And I understand the frustration with fans and the call at issue. However...

Please note the OFFICIAL back court count is performed by the official himself. There have been NUMEROUS occasions where the operator starts the clock too soon and cannot always be relied on.

To clarify, the game & shot clock are not to start until the player makes contact AND has possession of the ball. The operator is to exclusively watch the officials hand only (not the ball) and start upon the their chop.

Too many operators either start when the ball is in-bounded or before the official chops the clock.

After all, it isn't like there hasn't been issues with the clock operators in STL. :-)

[19SHOCKER76]

I don't want to read all the posts since the game Saturday, so forgive me if this has been asked.

As players and coaches went to the locker room at half, it appeared that Jake was really catching it from some of the players and coach. I must have missed something, anyone know why?

[vancedave56]

Kelly,
We do monitor the game and shot clock at all times.

And I understand the frustration with fans and the call at issue. However...

Please note the OFFICIAL back court count is performed by the official himself. There have been NUMEROUS occasions where the operator starts the clock too soon and cannot always be relied on.

To clarify, the game & shot clock are not to start until the player makes contact AND has possession of the ball. The operator is to exclusively watch the officials hand only (not the ball) and start upon the their chop.

Too many operators either start when the ball is in-bounded or before the official chops the clock.

After all, it isn't like there hasn't been issues with the clock operators in STL. :-)

Sounds logical. In that scenario, the shot clock must have been incorrect since the official doing the count is always correct. Knowing that, the official (knowing that his count is correct, and being an upstanding official) likely considered stopping the game and reviewing to correct the incorrect shot clock. Afterall, a second or two at the end of a shot clock could be a very big deal.

Enough. The officiating left a lot to be desired - a wrong call towards the end giving the out of bounds ball back to ISU was really poor also.

Yes, we could have taken care of all these by making more baskets and less turnovers.

It was a one point loss that stinks no matter how you look at it.

Now, let's get another win streak started!


PS
...and how about getting on facebook and voting for David Kyles to participate in the Dunk Contest at the Final Four...only one day left to vote!

[dTm]

Kelly,
We do monitor the game and shot clock at all times.

And I understand the frustration with fans and the call at issue. However...

Please note the OFFICIAL back court count is performed by the official himself. There have been NUMEROUS occasions where the operator starts the clock too soon and cannot always be relied on.

To clarify, the game & shot clock are not to start until the player makes contact AND has possession of the ball. The operator is to exclusively watch the officials hand only (not the ball) and start upon the their chop.

Too many operators either start when the ball is in-bounded or before the official chops the clock.

After all, it isn't like there hasn't been issues with the clock operators in STL. :-)

Wow way to stick up for maybe the absolute worse call possible. There are shot clocks at each end of the court and youre giving an excuse? BS
How many backcourt violations does the avg team get in a year? 3? 4? maybe? and to have that hard work taken away...inexcusable
These guys are D-1 officials are you? What is this we stuff? Oh right you have ref in your name so you know all, my bad, i forgot.

[SubGod22]

Wow way to stick up for maybe the absolute worse call possible. There are shot clocks at each end of the court and youre giving an excuse? BS
How many backcourt violations does the avg team get in a year? 3? 4? maybe? and to have that hard work taken away...inexcusable
These guys are D-1 officials are you? What is this we stuff? Oh right you have ref in your name so you know all, my bad, i forgot.

You've obviously never officiated a day in you life.

[dTm]

You've obviously never officiated a day in you life.

Please elaborate....what part of my post gives you that indication?

[ShockRef]

dTm,
You sound like a typical frustrated guy. It's ok, we all get old and have bowel movement issues and the internal pressure it creates can cause sudden and irrational outbursts. It's understood.

Besides, you are trying to sound like an expert so why not tell all of us about the biggest college game you've officiated?
Ut ohhh, hasn't happened?

Maybe your biggest High School Game?
No go there either?

Ok, how about your biggest Biddie ball game?
Ooops. Nothing to see here, huh?

Oh well.

Kelly was looking for a possible explanation. It was provided.

End of story.

[SubGod22]

The fact that you want to rely on the clock operator instead of the official for the count. That says enough right there.

[shoxlax]

I appreciate your input Ref.

So I have to ask, who has the longest/shortest chop stroke in college basketball?

[WuDrWu]

Kelly,
We do monitor the game and shot clock at all times.

And I understand the frustration with fans and the call at issue. However...

Please note the OFFICIAL back court count is performed by the official himself. There have been NUMEROUS occasions where the operator starts the clock too soon and cannot always be relied on.

To clarify, the game & shot clock are not to start until the player makes contact AND has possession of the ball. The operator is to exclusively watch the officials hand only (not the ball) and start upon the their chop.

Too many operators either start when the ball is in-bounded or before the official chops the clock.

After all, it isn't like there hasn't been issues with the clock operators in STL. :-)

Looking forward to the annual @ShockRef: version of notes, quotes and billy goats.

[ShockRef]

I appreciate your input Ref.

So I have to ask, who has the longest/shortest chop stroke in college basketball?

See, now that's a funny response.

I can always count on Lax for some levity (which was sorely needed in this topic).

[ShockRef]

Looking forward to the annual @ShockRef: version of notes, quotes and billy goats.

Doc,
They are coming. :-)

I know the anticipation in Shocker Nation is reaching a nuclear detonation level but quite a bit of thought and contemplation goes into the annual Notes, Quotes & Billygoats.

Some things just can't be rushed. ;-)

[dTm]

dTm,
You sound like a typical frustrated guy. It's ok, we all get old and have bowel movement issues and the internal pressure it creates can cause sudden and irrational outbursts. It's understood.

Besides, you are trying to sound like an expert so why not tell all of us about the biggest college game you've officiated?
Ut ohhh, hasn't happened?

Maybe your biggest High School Game?
No go there either?

Ok, how about your biggest Biddie ball game?
Ooops. Nothing to see here, huh?

Oh well.

Kelly was looking for a possible explanation. It was provided.

End of story.

So you give an excuse why this easy obvious call is missed and so its end of story
what have you done mr expert cuz you have ref in your name?
go ahead and attack me all you want and keep making worthless posts instead of staying on topic
Unlike the lemmings on this site just because you or wudrwu says it doesnt make it gospel.
God forbid someonw has a different opinion from you obvious experts.