Kansas State at Wichita State (Intrust) Game Thread 12-5-21

[ShockerFever]

Honest question. Who else do we want shooting?

Anybody that takes a decent shot and has a better than 15% chance of going in.

[Kel Varnsen]

Go back even farther because Paul Miller was in training camp for the Knicks.

Updated post.

[ShockerFever]

A lot of people should refrain from posting until they come down from their adrenaline high from a bad game (or sober up)

Pumper out in full force telling everybody it’s just fine. Jesus you sound like the BC Panther dude you always make fun of. I can’t believe there are people willing to defend this.

[WuTheOne]

Agree with everything most have said. Drove home and wanted to punch a hole thru my dash. Serious question though, what is Coach Kennedy’s role? Scout? Mentor? Recruiter? I watched the huddle during timeouts…he rarely says anything. Not trying to beat up the guy-know he has health issues…am just curious.

Oh yeah, and Tyson shoots too much. And I hope Porter isn’t hurt bad…but it sure doesn’t seem good. This could be a big problem or potentially a blessing in disguise…make Tyson run pg more and see if CJ truly can step up.

From what I've seen, TE running point would result in even more TE calling his own shot. He's not the same player he was last year. Last year he was the AAC co-player of the year. This years he's not even close to being the WSU player of the year.

[TheShocktocles]

My two thoughts:

1. The TE thing ... He's playing like crap and selfish. As far as should IB have pulled him at the end when he was taking bad shots ? If Porter wasn't hurt ... Then yes... But Porter was hurt. Who was he going to put in? Grant was already in... So Jenkins? I like Jenkins and think he has a lot of potential, but he's played like 10 min of game time all year. In hindsight he couldn't have done worse that TE. I also have a feeling that if he pulled TE and put Jenkins in, we still lose and then people are ripping IB for pulling TE.

2. What I fault IB for and what I think lost us the game was the lineup change in the first half when we were up like 20-9. He pulled all the starters and put in a lineup I'm not sure has played together all year. I think it was Grant, Jenkins, Council, Monzy, Pohto. That team gave up a double digit lead and lost all the momentum and we had to go back into battle mode instead of playing loose like they started. That lineup stayed in way too long.

Totally agree on your number 2 paragraph. IB did the same stupid substitution pattern in the Missouri game in the first half. He lost us the lead in that game with this silliness. He didn't learn a dam thing from the Missouri game. And he, !DD, and TE didn't learn anything from the Drake game. The only difference between this game and Drake is that we shot better from the free throw line. 5h3 ball should have been going into MU when we had 5hat lead in the 2nd half. They had nobody that could guard him.. WTF These guys need to pull their heads out of their asses.

[ShockerFever]

No pie tonight?

Im shocked.

[ShockRef]

Agree with everything most have said. Drove home and wanted to punch a hole thru my dash. Serious question though, what is Coach Kennedy’s role? Scout? Mentor? Recruiter? I watched the huddle during timeouts…he rarely says anything. Not trying to beat up the guy-know he has health issues…am just curious.

Oh yeah, and Tyson shoots too much. And I hope Porter isn’t hurt bad…but it sure doesn’t seem good. This could be a big problem or potentially a blessing in disguise…make Tyson run pg more and see if CJ truly can step up.

Better hope that Porter is not too injured. Grant is Juco hyper and not sure if and when they may change.
Grant is lightning quick, but there are lots of guy who are quick - and on the bench at lower level teams.
His wild, totally out of control, throw the ball away when it was 59-54 and still a chance was a bone crushing Juco PG mistake.

Will give props to Mo tonight - he had the match up totally in his favor and took advantage of it. Unfortunately, he made poor decision on the other end, which cost as much as he helped on the offensive end.
Sure this team will clean up on the next 4 SWAC level teams. The question is will they learn and grow up enough in time for the war that is the AAC.

That is all.

[1972Shocker]

Honest question. Who else do we want shooting?

I am not sure the question is who else do we want shooting as much as it is what kind of shots do we want to take and can the offensive system create those kind of shots? And what kind of shots do we want? They don't necessarily need to be unguarded but they do need to be in rhythm.

I looked at the game-by-game stats and saw that the Shocks best 3 point shooting game this year was against Tarleton State at 9-21 (42.9%). Perhaps the most notable thing about that game is it is the game Tyson missed due to illness. Dexter went 3-4 in that game. In his other 7 games Dex is 5-30 (16.7%). So did Tyson's absence cause the Shocks to run their offense differently perhaps resulting in better in-rhythm shots?

The Tarleton State game is also the only game the Shocks have won so far this year by double-digits with a 14-point winning margin (65-51).

My first thought was okay, the main factor in this was it was Tarleton State. However, the only team to beat Tarleton worse than the Shocks did so far this year was Kansas. Tarleton lost at Stanford by 12, at Michigan by 11, at Gonzaga by 9. Its other 2 losses were to North Dakota State by 1 and Charleston Southern by 2.

The Tarleton State game was also the Shocks best assist game by far with 14 assists on 19 baskets. Hitting 18-23 free throws certainly didn't hurt the Shocks in that game either.

Is this of any significance? Hard to say, but perhaps it deserves a little thought and consideration by the coaching staff. Maybe a look back at the tape to see what was working.

[Ashockalypse]

Went to game and the following:

Have to install an offense. Don’t have one.

How do you let that pick and roll dunk happen over and over.

We have better talent than KState. Again no offense.

Defense will eventually succumb when there is no offense. We stayed at 44 for 10 minutes.

Coach forgets about the existence of Pohto, Jenkins and even Council for long stretches of the game.

If Coach doesn’t install an offense it will be his undoing.

[Ashockalypse]

Mo played great.

[ShockRef]

I am not sure the question is who else do we want shooting as much as it is what kind of shots do we want to take and can the offensive system create those kind of shots? And what kind of shots do we want? They don't necessarily need to be unguarded but they do need to be in rhythm.

I looked at the game-by-game stats and saw that the Shocks best 3 point shooting game this year was against Tarleton State at 9-21 (42.9%). Perhaps the most notable thing about that game is it is the game Tyson missed due to illness. Dexter went 3-4 in that game. In his ohter 7 games Dex is 5-30 (16.7%). So did Tyson's absence cause the Shocks to run their offense differently perhaps resulting in better in-rhythm shots?

The Tarleton State game is also the only game the Shocks have won so far this year by double-digits with a 14-point winning margin (65-51).

My first thought was okay, the main factor in this was it was Tarleton State. However, the only team to beat Tarleton worse than the Shocks did so far this year was Kansas. Tarleton lost at Stanford by 12, at Michigan by 11, at Gonzaga by 9. Its other 2 losses were to North Dakota State by 1 and Charleston Southern by 2.

The Tarleton State game was also the Shocks best assist game by far with 14 assists on 19 baskets. Hitting 18-23 free throws certainly didn't hurt the Shocks in that game.

Is this of any significance? Hard to say, but perhaps it deserves a little thought and consideration by the coaching staff. Maybe a look back at the tape to see what was working.

1972,
As I mentioned in an earlier post, in the long run, this may end being a case of less = more.

That is all.

[Ashockalypse]

Porter has to contribute more shot attempts . Can’t have your PG as NO threat at all. Craig was 0 for O

[Ashockalypse]

It was embarrassing in person.

[Dan]

Tyson isn’t right in his own head. One one hand, he is a really good player, that cannot be denied. On the other hand, he’s not as good as he has been hyped. He’s in his own head. All you have to do is get your best Dexter Dennis type defender and stay in his jockstrap past half court. Let him force things and take his own team out of the game. He had a couple games where he caught fire the 2nd half and of course he’s going to keep shooting waiting for that fire to catch again.

I wish Taylor would do a follow up article with all those coaches and mentors that bragged about what a good player he is. I wanna know if good players like Tyson will adjust their games or continue to “shoot themselves out of the slump”. This is not a slump. Dexter is in a slump. Slumps are when you miss wide open shots. Tyson is just forcing things and not trusting his teammates.

Tyson is better playing a natural 2. Less ball handling, more catch and shoot. IB please recognize this before it’s too late. If Tyson needs to be in a role where he has the ball more to show the NBA his skills, I’m not sure I want those skills on this team. I also don’t think many scouts will be impressed.

[ShockRef]

It was embarrassing in person.

It was embarrassing to watch from 600 miles away.
Basically, the so-called offense is now for Porter to bring the ball into the front court, wait for Tyson to run off a couple of screens and kick out to the wing, wait for either Mo or Pohto come out 25' away from the basket to set another screen...then let Tyson find a way to jack up an off balance, forced 25' shot while the others stand and watch him try to demonstrate his version of Seth Curry.

The physical limitations of this team are obvious, none of the post players have any lateral movement and are easy to attack - how many Jr High screen and rolls do you need to see?
This why Jackson may make some silly mistakes, but he has to play more. They just don't have any one (other than Pohto who can at least disrupt with his length and has the potential to hedge screens) other than CJ.
KState had nothing inside and abused the WSU screen and roll defense. What happens when the schedule turns AAC against teams that DO have legit post players?
I don't know what the Abidde kid has, but the coaches know or he would see the floor at least for a couple minutes.

That is all.