Landry Shamet

[ShockTalk]

As the OP pie n eye already stated that he didn't support mob action. Why conflate that with his point?

Primary because he is continually asked direct questions and defects his answers to snarky comments. If he's going to do that, then he should back those comments up instead of just "stirring the pot".

If he's against mob action, then why give seemly support to it in some instances. Mob action is mob action.

[Veritas]

Hope he's ok, trust he will be.

Probably asymptomatic.

On another point, while I really like Landry and respect him for everything he's done, he's way off base on the statues thing. WAY off base.

Apparently you respect him for everything he’s done but not for who he is.
Why exactly do you feel he is “WAY off base” with regard to his comments? What did he say or write or share?

How did you jump to the conclusion that he’s probably asymptomatic?

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Agreed, mobs are awful. They're everywhere. I mean, look at New York City, where a mob unpeacefully tore down a statue, broke it into pieces, and melted down the lead to make bullets. Those heathens! Those awful, history hating snowflakes!!! Amirite!!???

Coincidentally, that happened July 9, 1776, when George Washington and his troops joined a MOB (gasp!!!) and viciously and unceremoniously--practically hatefully--tore down a statue of King George III. All through the colonies, statues, monuments, artwork, and anything resembling a tribute to the king or England was destroyed.

Someone saved the head of the King's statue in New York and shipped it back to England to show how "ungrateful" those Americans were. Are we ungrateful now?

[Kung Wu]

Agreed, mobs are awful. They're everywhere. I mean, look at New York City, where a mob unpeacefully tore down a statue, broke it into pieces, and melted down the lead to make bullets. Those heathens! Those awful, history hating snowflakes!!! Amirite!!???

Coincidentally, that happened July 9, 1776, when George Washington and his troops joined a MOB (gasp!!!) and viciously and unceremoniously--practically hatefully--tore down a statue of King George III. All through the colonies, statues, monuments, artwork, and anything resembling a tribute to the king or England was destroyed.

Someone saved the head of the King's statue in New York and shipped it back to England to show how "ungrateful" those Americans were. Are we ungrateful now?

They did so knowing full well that they were instigating a war.

Is that what you want?

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

They did so knowing full well that they were instigating a war.

Is that what you want?

Respectfully, you're missing the point. (And incidentally, they weren't "instigating" a war--the first shots of the war had already been fired, and independence had been declared). How can it be wrong to tear down these statues--many of which never should have been built in the first place? They were placed by the United Daughters of the Confederacy and other groups during Reconstruction and the Jim Crow era in order to themselves incite racial divides.

Statues and monuments are symbols. Even Robert E. Lee himself was against any statues or monuments to himself, his generals, or the Confederacy. “I think it wiser to not keep open the sores of war, but to follow the example of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, and to commit to oblivion the feelings it engendered,” he said. He even refused to allow the Confederate flag to fly at Washington College in Maryland, where he was president from 1865 to when he died in 1870.

The Confederacy is an American legacy that should never be forgotten or celebrated. It is part of our American story, and it is an ironic thread of the fabric that binds our union. Yet it is a dark time in our history when so many Americans died in an attempt to preserve something most of us today find unquestionably abhorrent. The fact the United States avoided tearing itself apart and eventually ended almost 200 years of institutional racism to correct the most glaring errors in its Constitution, are two of the great triumphs of American ideals. Let us build monuments to that.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

How did you jump to the conclusion that he’s probably asymptomatic?

I don't know, maybe CDC statistics based on his age and health?

[ShockingButTrue]

I don't know, maybe CDC statistics based on his age and health?

Yep. The mortality rate for those under 70 is 0.04%.

And, he probably doesn't have debilitating hypertension (yet).

[ShockingButTrue]

Respectfully, you're missing the point.

The Confederacy is an American legacy that should never be forgotten or celebrated. It is part of our American story, and it is an ironic thread of the fabric that binds our union. Yet it is a dark time in our history when so many Americans died in an attempt to preserve something most of us today find unquestionably abhorrent. The fact the United States avoided tearing itself apart and eventually ended almost 200 years of institutional racism to correct the most glaring errors in its Constitution, are two of the great triumphs of American ideals. Let us build monuments to that.

Rational and good point. "If we forget the past we are doomed to repeat it" is all a lot of people out there are trying to say, if they could a word in edgewise . A group of Americans can think they're superior to another group while at the same time that they rail against that type of diseased thinking. See? It's a sickness isn't it? Not everyone who doesn't want the statues torn down are bad people.

Now, can we as a Nation quit spreading the false, reckless and dangerous narrative the white cops are committing genocide on black Americans? And if someone disagrees with that false and dangerous propaganda can the other side at least listen? That's not the case right now. No?

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Rational and good point. "If we forget the past we are doomed to repeat it" is all a lot of people out there are trying to say, if they could a word in edgewise . A group of Americans can think they're superior to another group while at the same time that they rail against that type of diseased thinking. See? It's a sickness isn't it? Not everyone who doesn't want the statues torn down are bad people.

Now, can we as a Nation quit spreading the false, reckless and dangerous narrative the white cops are committing genocide on black Americans? And if someone disagrees with that false and dangerous propaganda can the other side at least listen? That's not the case right now. No?

Neither side has a monopoly on righteousness or open mindedness. I see just as many conservatives unwilling to listen as I see liberals. In that sense, I guess we have two pandemics running rampant in this country.

I absolutely agree that not everyone who wants to save the statues are bad people. You are spot on. There are quite a few rational, intelligent folks who disagree with me. And unfortunately, there are quite a few flaming idiots who agree with me. I think all of us could say the same about any problematic issue our nation faces. The question is how do we ignore the flaming idiots on either side so the rest of us can have rational and intelligent conversations and find solutions to our problems? In a different time, we could do that.

From talking with my minority friends specifically about the racial justice protests, it sounds to me like it has very little to do with cops. Police brutality is just a convenient and easy tip of the iceberg for them. To your point, the rest of the underlying issues can be explained by a lack of willingness on the part of white men like me to understand, listen, and most importantly to empathize. Racism didn't magically end with the civil rights movement. I have a feeling many of our program's players (former and current) could tell us horrifying stories of what they've had to overcome and deal with.

In the end, I'm with you. I'd love to cut out the noise, chatter, and propaganda from both sides and figure out how to move forward.

[Kung Wu]

Respectfully, you're missing the point.

What point?

(And incidentally, they weren't "instigating" a war--the first shots of the war had already been fired, and independence had been declared).

Ah, yeah, I didn't pay attention to the date. However, I think the point still stands. By signing the Declaration of Independence days before, that militia was sending a loud and clear signal: Bring it on.

How can it be wrong to tear down these statues--many of which never should have been built in the first place? They were placed by the United Daughters of the Confederacy and other groups during Reconstruction and the Jim Crow era in order to themselves incite racial divides.

Statues and monuments are symbols. Even Robert E. Lee himself was against any statues or monuments to himself, his generals, or the Confederacy. “I think it wiser to not keep open the sores of war, but to follow the example of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, and to commit to oblivion the feelings it engendered,” he said. He even refused to allow the Confederate flag to fly at Washington College in Maryland, where he was president from 1865 to when he died in 1870.

The Confederacy is an American legacy that should never be forgotten or celebrated. It is part of our American story, and it is an ironic thread of the fabric that binds our union. Yet it is a dark time in our history when so many Americans died in an attempt to preserve something most of us today find unquestionably abhorrent.

Overall I don't have a lot of dispute with this, but it ignores a LOT of context of the time. According to Lincoln, both sides shed a lot of blood for the sins of slavery. Our American ancestors -- and certainly mostly white Americans -- have already paid a tremendous price. It certainly took many decades and generations for Democrats to begin to unwind their racist thought processes, I'll agree. But by 2020 only vestiges of racism still exist -- and it's definitely no longer systemic. But yes, those pockets of racism are shameful and should be addressed.

That said, allowing socialism to creep into the backdoor in the guise of anti-racism? No thank you.

The fact the United States avoided tearing itself apart and eventually ended almost 200 years of institutional racism to correct the most glaring errors in its Constitution, are two of the great triumphs of American ideals.

Or did it avoid tearing itself apart? Isn't that what's happening now as a well funded organization with socialist rhetoric and ideals stomp around tearing down statues of Lincoln, Grant, and Frederick Douglass (of all people) and get a free pass for doing so because they are claiming they are an anti-racism movement?

I think the dispute lies not with the topping of Robert E Lee. The dispute lies with the toppling of Abraham Lincoln. Can you defend that, or should we just conveniently overlook it?

[Stickboy46]

So did the statues give Landry COVID? That might sway my opinion if they should stay up or not.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

What point?



Ah, yeah, I didn't pay attention to the date. However, I think the point still stands. By signing the Declaration of Independence days before, that militia was sending a loud and clear signal: Bring it on.




Overall I don't have a lot of dispute with this, but it ignores a LOT of context of the time. According to Lincoln, both sides shed a lot of blood for the sins of slavery. Our American ancestors -- and certainly mostly white Americans -- have already paid a tremendous price. It certainly took many decades and generations for Democrats to begin to unwind their racist thought processes, I'll agree. But by 2020 only vestiges of racism still exist -- and it's definitely no longer systemic. But yes, those pockets of racism are shameful and should be addressed.

That said, allowing socialism to creep into the backdoor in the guise of anti-racism? No thank you.



Or did it avoid tearing itself apart? Isn't that what's happening now as a well funded organization with socialist rhetoric and ideals stomp around tearing down statues of Lincoln, Grant, and Frederick Douglass (of all people) and get a free pass for doing so because they are claiming they are an anti-racism movement?

I think the dispute lies not with the topping of Robert E Lee. The dispute lies with the toppling of Abraham Lincoln. Can you defend that, or should we just conveniently overlook it?

I don’t know how you do that fancy multi-boxed quote thing you did. It’s like you run this place or something.

Here’s my attempt to respond without all the fancy multiple quote boxes:

The point: let’s pump the brakes on the outrage about protests. Just because Fox News says we should be outraged about them doesn’t mean they’re actually worthy of our outrage. Protests like this have been a part of our Republic since the beginning.

I struggle to understand how a quote from Robert E. Lee in 1869 about monuments built in his honor ignores the context of that time. The quote is from that time, about this subject, from the very person many of these monuments honor. He never wanted them built in the first place and for good reason. Let’s listen to the man. I’m just at a loss here what you mean that his wishes lack context.

For Democrats to erase “their” racist thought process? Interesting you say that. This is a highly misunderstood nuance of American history, but “the party of Lincoln” most resembles today’s Democratic party, and vice versa. The two parties have—for all intents and purposes—virtually swapped platforms since the late 19th century. This slow process culminated with the Southern Democrats abandoning the Democratic Party during the civil rights movement and switching to the Republicans.

Who said anything about socialism??? Holy cow, where exactly in left field did THAT come from? I know Fox News and other disreputable conservative media outlets are spewing a bunch of fear mongering nonsense about the protests. If that’s where this is coming from, there’s actually quite a few neutral news organizations you can follow that will give you a real picture of current events without the “Pelosi is actually a man and a socialist” crap or the “Trump is the Antichrist” rhetoric.

There will always be flaming idiots (extremists) on both sides. Extremist media like Fox or MSNBC point out isolated incidents of extremism and try to convince us that’s the norm for the opposing side. Radical liberal news organizations would have us think every Republican is a member of the John Birch Society, just as conservative organizations would have us think every racial justice protest is full of socialists toppling Lincoln statues and that these protesters represent the entire movement.

[ShockingButTrue]

The point: let’s pump the brakes on the outrage about protests. Just because Fox News says we should be outraged about them doesn’t mean they’re actually worthy of our outrage. Protests like this have been a part of our Republic since the beginning.

Innocent people getting their asses beat (and killed) in broad daylight, and night time too, is no occasion for outrage? That sentiment has zero credibility.

And to infer all of the examples (film) of bystanders being attacked can only be found on Fox News is either a blatant lie or willful stupidity, because that footage is out there. Now the reporting on those attacks I have seen on Fox, yes, and just about zero elsewhere. Thank God they do too. If not, the Snowflakes on cnn and nbc would be out their proclaiming "why all the fake outrage? You must not be down for the cause. You're racist" with no push back.

[1979Shocker]

How about statues and monuments of Washington, Grant, Columbus, Gandhi, Matthias Baldwin, WW I Memorial, Soldiers and Sailors Monument, fallen Peace Officers Memorial, Robert Gould Shaw and the 54th Regiment Memorial, even Frederick Douglass that have been pulled down, defaced, and/or damaged?

Incidentally, Christopher Columbus was probably a Jew.

Christopher Columbus — the hidden Jew?

[BOBB]

Can't wait to see heads explode when some of our players kneel for the anthem or raise a fist or have BLM patches on the uniform.