Valley Power Rankings - December 5

[ICThawk]

Doesn't them being closer to a 7 prove your point wrong? I don't think they're going to be on track for a 7, lose to Bradley and end up out of the tournament.

Well the point I was making was based more on the Valley getting two bids. The one to get the second bid isnt likely to pull more than a 12 seed. With the amount of teams who could likely fall in the 14-10 seed range it is easily to get passed over. A loss to a colossally bad team could easily push that second valley team out. The point being, win the games youre supposed to and its possible to get two bids. Don't and the 2nd team could easily get bounced.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

The way CU is playing I wouldn't be surprised to see them get a 5 or better.

Absolutely. If CU maintains a mid-teen ranking (hypothetically speaking), then a 7 seed would be a slap in the face. We received a 7 seed in 2006 and were not even ranked. If CU progresses to a low-teen ranking (11-14), I would think a 3-4 seed would be more appropriate. Any talk of tournament seeding for additional Valley teams is even more sheer guess-work at this point. There's a lot of subjectivity, a lot of moving parts, and it's still very early in the season.

[WuDrWu]

I will not engage this troll beyond this one post, but it's certainly possible that both CU and WSU could be top 6 seeds. There is nothing that says the 2nd Valley team is a 12 seed (or thereabouts) except a troll.

[Aargh]

Slow down turbo. You are attempting to put ideas to my words that I didn't intend. You're taking the actual opponents played out of the equation. If KU beats Baylor, UT, A&M, Missouri, but falls to a craptastic TTech team then it would be a glaring spot on the resume. You and I both know that it would drop them from a potential 3 seed to a 5 seed.

Comparatively say Creighton steals a game from you, then beats Evansville, Drake, UNI, but drops a game to Bradley it hurts their resume more. Drops them from a respectable 12 seed to not getting an invite.

Fair or not, perennial tourny teams (how did Arizona stay in all those terrible years) are cut more slack than MidMajors.

We're getting very close to conference play, so there aren't that many opportunities to raise RPI outside of conference play. I'll go with the top 5 teams in each league instead of the apparent random schools you named.

If KU (RPI 53) beats KSU (RPI 28), Missouri (RPI 40), Iowa State - who lost to Drake!! and then to Northern Iowa at home!! (RPI 45), Baylor (RPI 47), and Oklahoma (RPI 76, but loses to Texas Tech, that will drop them from a 3 seed to a 5 seed.
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But, if CU (RPI 15) beats UNI (RPI 4), Indiana State (RPI 29), WSU (RPI 46), Missouri State (RPI 51) and Drake (RPI 96), but loses to Southern Illinois, they would drop from a 12 seed to the bubble.

Things are a little different this year. The way things are looking right now, there could be more opportunities to raise RPI in league play in the Valley than in the B12. The dogs at the bottom of both leagues are much worse in the Valley than the B12, but the B12 doesn't have much that looks like ranked teams throughout the season.

If you wouldn't mind parking your BCS bias at the door on a non-BCS board, you might be better received.

[ICThawk]

If you wouldn't mind parking your BCS bias at the door on a non-BCS board, you might be better received.

This made me LOL. Earlier this afternoon I had a discussion about how WSU would fair in the B12 and argued hard for the gap between mid majors and bcs conferences being fairly minor when compared to previous years. Trust me, as a KU fan I have a healthy fear for non BCS teams in a one loss format.

With that said, at the end of the season when the 6 BCS conferences have all put in their 4-5 teams, the mid major conference champs go in, there aren't a ton of at large bids to go around. Like it or not the Valley gets little respect nationally and getting 2 bids is a solid year. In my example above I was putting CU as the 2nd bid as a favor to you all. I assumed my saying WSU would potentially lose to CU twice (you said it yourself they are playing great ball) plus lose one to UNI and then a game to a Bradley wouldn't have gone over well. But lets be honest, if CU cruises through the Valley and WSU loses to a bradley late in the season it will kill any decent seed hopes. I'm not saying its fair or logical, just saying that's the pattern history paints.

[SB Shock]

Trust me, as a KU fan I have a healthy fear for non BCS teams in a one loss format.

trust me we are all aware of KU fans fear of anything starting with a "B" or any team from the MVC (aka Bradley and UNI).

[ICThawk]

trust me we are all aware of KU fans fear of anything starting with a "B" or any team from the MVC (aka Bradley and UNI).

Uhmm thanks for repeating me I guess.

[Aargh]

I've previously pointed out that this year, the top 6 teams in the B12 and the top 6 teams in the MVC are remarkably similar. An argument could be made that the MVC is a bit stronger 1-6 than the B12. One of the top 6 teams in the B12 has 2 losses to MVC teams.

Even after that and a request to drop the BCS elitist bias, the comment "after the BCS conferences get 4-5 teams in" is made. Followed by the MVC maybe getting two teams in.

Are you saying that if the teams in the Valley and in the B12 are approximately equal, that the B12 gets 4 or 5 bids and the Valley gets 2? That statement would fly here. That would indicate that the Selection Committee is more concerned with the name on the uni than the quality of the team.

Or are you saying that the quality of BCS teams is inherently better than the quality of mid-major teams, and the fact that a team is in a BCS conference means they deserve an invite over a mid-major team that by any measure other than the name on the uni seems to be at least equal to a BCS team?

[WuDrWu]

RPI wise, UNI is being flattered by St Marys and Denver (really good team btw) and some teams (Providence for example) that have records beyond their skills. This could be a repeat of "figuring out the RPI" of sorts.

UNI really needs to win out in the non-conference because their RPI is going to be on a slow drain from here on out.

[WuDrWu]

I was going to say it's silly to talk about CU being a 12 seed, but that's not fair to silly people. It's mentally irregular.

CU isn't going to be a 12 seed, period. They're going to lose 6 games, at the MOST, and be no worse than a 8 seed and as high as a 4.

[SB Shock]

Uhmm thanks for repeating me I guess.

No need to thank me, just wanted you to remember that KU is really no better than any other NCAA tournament team, especially those who get the "mid-major" label. KU gets the benefits of the BCS bias and thus gets preferable seating at the table. Give similar seating to the best "mid-major" team in the NCAA tournament and they do just as well if not better than KU.

[kcshocker11]

No need to thank me, just wanted you to remember that KU is really no better than any other NCAA tournament team, especially those who get the "mid-major" label. KU gets the benefits of the BCS bias and thus gets preferable seating at the table. Give similar seating to the best "mid-major" team in the NCAA tournament and they do just as well if not better than KU.

So true So true- its not hard to get to the sweet sixteen when you are a 1 or 2 seed

[shock]

No need to thank me, just wanted you to remember that KU is really no better than any other NCAA tournament team, especially those who get the "mid-major" label. KU gets the benefits of the BCS bias and thus gets preferable seating at the table. Give similar seating to the best "mid-major" team in the NCAA tournament and they do just as well if not better than KU.

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[ICThawk]

Some serious Little Brother Syndrome going on in this thread. Instead of discussing my points you attack my school. You all hate KU. Yes, ok, get over yourselves. If every thread in this place devolves to GHEY WHO? comments then so be it, but don't pretend like that makes you classy.

[shoxtop]

So you're telling me that if a UNC fan comes to a KU board to discuss KU basketball and possibly troll a little bit that your fanbase will be completely classy with said fan? BTW, not sure I've read a "ghey who" comment in any thread you've been posting in unless you made the statement. Seems to me you may have a bit of a complex yourself.