Coach in today's Eagle

[shocker3]

I did not take it as a slight on Mark Turgeon. Anybody making an honest assessment of the last two recruiting classes would say that (for whatever reason) they just didn't pan out.

It is not going out of the way to put down Mark Turgeon. It is just being honest.

The only returning player from the junior class is Wendall and the only returning player from the sophomore class is Gal. I am sure Mark Turgeon was not happy the way those two classes turned out. I am sure he hoped for much more.

It is what it is. The lack of depth has to be very frustrating for coach.

Personally I would not have added the comment about Matt not being an all conference player. But that is coach's personality. He has heaped losts of praise on Matt many times, including the same time he made that statement. :wsu_posters:

[BOBB]

I am not wild about Coach Marshall's tendency to publicly slight Coach Turgeon and his recruits. He has done so on several occasions.

I especially did not like his comment about Matt and not being an all conference player. I think he could have gone without making that statement.

I am sure some on this esteemed forum will find his comments refreshing, but I do not. The statement about Matt does not serve any useful purpose.

I'm in agreement. I've noticed several comments about how we'll be better once we get some good players or in future seasons. What about this season and these players? I don't think he means ill, but it comes off kind of crappy.

[rjl]

I am not wild about Coach Marshall's tendency to publicly slight Coach Turgeon and his recruits. He has done so on several occasions.

I especially did not like his comment about Matt and not being an all conference player. I think he could have gone without making that statement.

I am sure some on this esteemed forum will find his comments refreshing, but I do not. The statement about Matt does not serve any useful purpose.

Coach who speaks the truth > coach who blows smoke up our butts, especially when we know he is.

[rjl]

Anybody, how does this sound?

Your wife will never win a beauty contest.

Your kids will never make the honor roll.

You will never get promoted.

I think you're completely misinterpreting what Marshall is saying about Matt.

He's saying that Matt's been a good player in the past and up to now, but we need him to be an all-conference player.

[BA2929]

I believe HCGM is just saying that his offense isn't supposed to be centered around a PG who has to score for his team to win. In nearly all his years at Winthrop, his assist leader rarely scored over 8 points a game. MB is a very good player and he's never been an All-Conference player, and the odds of him being one this year are slim. Exactly what HCGM stated. - The last 2 Turg recruiting classes at WSU have been rather pathetic, HCGM noticed that and stated the fact to the media. What did you want him to say? "The last two recruiting classes were great! 2 guys that actually play from two years of recruiting is what I strive for in each recruiting class!" ??

[pinstripers]

That's my take, as well.

[KC Shox]

Anybody, how does this sound?

Your wife will never win a beauty contest.

Your kids will never make the honor roll.

You will never get promoted.

I think you're completely misinterpreting what Marshall is saying about Matt.

He's saying that Matt's been a good player in the past and up to now, but we need him to be an all-conference player.

I really don't think GM is expecting a 5'10", 159lb PG to be All-Conference. Matt's heart and grit is All-Conference, but his game and size is what GM characterized - very good.

[Hotel Paper]

look either have a picture of Christina Aguilera or Jennifer Love Hewitt as your avitar, the constant flipping of the pictures is killing me

[BA2929]

Anybody, how does this sound?

Your wife will never win a beauty contest.

Your kids will never make the honor roll.

You will never get promoted.

I think you're completely misinterpreting what Marshall is saying about Matt.

He's saying that Matt's been a good player in the past and up to now, but we need him to be an all-conference player.

I really don't think GM is expecting a 5'10", 159lb PG to be All-Conference. Matt's heart and grit is All-Conference, but his game and size is what GM characterized - very good.

I think 5'10" is about 2 inches too tall!

[Ricky Del Rio]

Anybody, how does this sound?

Your wife will never win a beauty contest.

Your kids will never make the honor roll.

You will never get promoted.

I think you're completely misinterpreting what Marshall is saying about Matt.

He's saying that Matt's been a good player in the past and up to now, but we need him to be an all-conference player.

Now you are on to something. In that context, I think it is fine, provided the context is understood by the listeners and readers.

[cjp27]

I think I remember Turgeon saying similar things about another Shocker point guard several years ago. I remember Turgeon saying that Craig Steven was not the type of player he would recruit, and if Turgeon was the coach when Steven was in high school, he would not have recruited him. Turgeon was complimenting Steven, however, saying that he was such a hard worker, and brought a lot of intangibles to the team.

Obviously, Braeuer is a much better player than Steven, but I interpret Marshall's comments about Braeuer to be similar to Turgeon's comments about Steven.

They are both compliments, as the coaches, in my opinion, seem to imply that the players have gotten more out of their ability than most players do. I seriously doubt Braeuer took offense to these comments, and I don't think we should either.

[ABC]

I think I remember Turgeon saying similar things about another Shocker point guard several years ago. I remember Turgeon saying that Craig Steven was not the type of player he would recruit, and if Turgeon was the coach when Steven was in high school, he would not have recruited him. Turgeon was complimenting Steven, however, saying that he was such a hard worker, and brought a lot of intangibles to the team.

I remember that.

I think Turgeon's comments could be described as a back-handed compliment.

[shockball]

"These young men are very, very nice to coach," Marshall says. "They're just great guys -- I really like them. But our talent level is not what I've been used to the last couple of years."

Adam Knapp has written a profile of Greg Marshall in this weeks Wichita Business Journal. It is a good read. I don't think he's telling Knapp anything he hasn't discussed with his players .

http://wichita.bizjournals.com/wichita/stories/2007/12/24/story10.html?page=1

[SB Shock]

"These young men are very, very nice to coach," Marshall says. "They're just great guys -- I really like them. But our talent level is not what I've been used to the last couple of years."

Adam Knapp has written a profile of Greg Marshall in this weeks Wichita Business Journal. It is a good read. I don't think he's telling Knapp anything he hasn't discussed with his players .

http://wichita.bizjournals.com/wichi...10.html?page=1

Probably a good article, but most won't be able to read it because it's subscription only.

[kcshocker11]

"These young men are very, very nice to coach," Marshall says. "They're just great guys -- I really like them. But our talent level is not what I've been used to the last couple of years."

Adam Knapp has written a profile of Greg Marshall in this weeks Wichita Business Journal. It is a good read. I don't think he's telling Knapp anything he hasn't discussed with his players .

http://wichita.bizjournals.com/wichi...10.html?page=1

Probably a good article, but most won't be able to read it because it's subscription only.

I agree we need a summary