2019-20 National Rankings

[Kel Varnsen]

Just heard a quote on the radio this morning. I thought it ironic.

Scores are for winners and Metrics are for losers.

And yet, for some reason, oddsmakers (who rely on scores for their livelihood) often use these metrics to set lines.

[FadedCrown]

Guess metrics don't count now because they are not on our side, interesting.

[Cdizzle]

Guess metrics don't count now because they are not on our side, interesting.

I see you said metrics, but I believe you meant metric.

[ShockerFever]

I'd rather be 30-0, but if we're only winning by a point or two every game, that may mean the numbers say we're not as good as the 25-5 team.

So it’s better to lose pretty than to win ugly?

Got it. Not sure Marshall or any other coach out there agrees, but got it.

[wheathead]

I’m just so thankful Shockernet had something to argue about today. Looking forward to actually watching a real live basketball game tomorrow.

[Cdizzle]

I’m just so thankful Shockernet had something to argue about today. Looking forward to actually watching a real live basketball game tomorrow.

So long as I am here, you shall always be thankful.

You're welcome.

[Cdizzle]

Are you serious? One is a strategy for a particular time and score situation in a game. The other is not.

I thought particular times and score didn't matter? That would imply wins and losses mattered, or *GASP*, a singular head-to-head game meant something. Nah. That's silly. Shox should have been playing the metrics, which all say intentionally fouling an 80% FT shooter is roughly the worst thing you can do.

It would also mean you had to actually apply that logic to fouling. Like the fact that 10+ seconds is a lot of time to start a possession for intentional fouling, or having 3 players with 4 fouls on the court made it risky, or that UConn was getting a lot of offensive rebounds made it risky. Nah. Just blanket-rule, always foul when up 3 at the end of the game.

[Kel Varnsen]

So it’s better to lose pretty than to win ugly?

Got it. Not sure Marshall or any other coach out there agrees, but got it.

Again, it depends. If you're talking about rating teams' quality, it could mean the team that has more losses is the better team. They would not have a better resume, though.

Would I rather lose than win? Heck no. But I'm not talking about what I would rather do. I'm talking about how we evaluate teams, a completely different aspect. That keeps getting lost in this discussion.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Ok, it's official. Put me in the category that rates this up there with the dumbest threads in SN history.

[Kel Varnsen]

I thought particular times and score didn't matter? That would imply wins and losses mattered, or *GASP*, a singular head-to-head game meant something. Nah. That's silly. Shox should have been playing the metrics, which all say intentionally fouling an 80% FT shooter is roughly the worst thing you can do.

It would also mean you had to actually apply that logic to fouling. Like the fact that 10+ seconds is a lot of time to start a possession for intentional fouling, or having 3 players with 4 fouls on the court made it risky, or that UConn was getting a lot of offensive rebounds made it risky. Nah. Just blanket-rule, always foul when up 3 at the end of the game.

Times and score matter for coaching and strategies, but this has nothing to do with the discussion we are having about rankings.

[Cdizzle]

Times and score matter for coaching and strategies, but this has nothing to do with the discussion we are having about rankings.

Disagree. Coaching and strategies exist for some reason. Is it to win, or to improve metrics? I believe they are linked. I guarantee you Marshall wanted to do what would most help his ranking last week. He has talked about it for a couple of weeks.

[ShockingButTrue]

The metrics show Chicken fans are getting their feathers in a ruffle...

[Cdizzle]

Ok, it's official. Put me in the category that rates this up there with the dumbest threads in SN history.

But you've been around since 2005. I know this to be false. Any thread where we're arguing about where WSU is ranked is not a dumb thread, it's a great thread.

[Kel Varnsen]

Disagree. Coaching and strategies exist for some reason. Is it to win, or to improve metrics? I believe they are linked. I guarantee you Marshall wanted to do what would most help his ranking last week. He has talked about it for a couple of weeks.

I think coaches want to win by as much as possible. They do that by being efficient, and yes, improving metrics.

[abdullah_sharif]

The metrics show Chicken fans are getting their feathers in a ruffle...

definitely an austin reaves fan tonight.