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  • #1

    2018 - 2019 RATINGS & RANKINGS

    11/15/2018

    Overall
    Rank    		 Non Con
    SOS
    Rank    		 Season
    SOS
    Rank
    Live-RPI. *
    Kenpom 77 108 108
    Haslametrics *
    Realtime RPI TPR 35 48 48
    Warren Nolan ELO 64 8 8
    KPI Sports *
    ESPN BPI 109 132 132
    Massey Ratings 51 39 39
    Sagarin Ratings 132 88 88
    Team Rankings 88 55 55
    Donchess Ratings 88 45 45
    LRMC Rankings *
    Barttorvik Rankings 111 32 32

    * Have Not Started Posting 2018-19 Numbers.
    "Hank Iba decided he wouldn't play my team anymore. He told me that if he tried to get his team ready to play me, it would upset his team the rest of the season." Gene Johnson, WU Basketball coach, 1928-1933.
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  • #2
    12/1/2018

    Overall
    Rank    		 NonCon
    SOS Rank    		 Season
    SOS Rank
    Live-RPI *
    Kenpom 87 130 130
    Haslametrics 109 91 91
    Realtime RPI TPR 30 77 77
    Warren Nolan ELO 91 174 174
    KPI Sports *
    ESPN BPI 112 137 137
    Massey Ratings 86 54 54
    Sagarin Ratings 110 123 123
    Team Rankings 86 68 68
    Donchess Ratings 116 57 57
    LRMC Rankings *
    Barttorvik Rankings 104 57 57

    *Have Not Started Posting 2018-19 Numbers.
    "Hank Iba decided he wouldn't play my team anymore. He told me that if he tried to get his team ready to play me, it would upset his team the rest of the season." Gene Johnson, WU Basketball coach, 1928-1933.

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    • #3
      NCAA NET 12/3/18

      28. Houston
      41. CINN
      51. UCONN
      64. UCF
      72. Temple
      109. S. FLA
      132. WSU
      168. Memphis
      176. Tulane
      177. SMU
      225. Tulsa
      268. ECU

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      • #4
        How in the hell did S. Fla go from being so bad last year to #109 this year? Surprising.

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        • Aargh
          #4.1
          Aargh commented
          December 3, 2018, 08:21 PM
          Editing a comment
          Maybe because we're in early December and these types of rankings don't mean anything until sometime around the middle of January?
        • ShockingButTrue
          #4.2
          ShockingButTrue commented
          December 4, 2018, 01:07 PM
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          I'm surprised by the leap because I thought S. Fla last year, in person, was worse than any team I've seen even in the Valley. They stunk out loud.

          As far as rankings go, we've all watched enough basketball to not have to rely on them to tell us who's good and who isn't. Especially after watching GGG's teams the last several years.
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      • #5
        Originally posted by ShockingButTrue View Post
        How in the hell did S. Fla go from being so bad last year to #109 this year? Surprising.
        For metric based on RPI (or has RPI elements embedded like NET) - going 6-2, with a 1-2 in quadrant 1 and 2. That puts 38% of their schedule against quality opponents.

        KenPOM reflects probably more of reality for S. Florida with a 228 ranking. S. Florida next 5 games are against opponents of 301, 182, 225, 345 and 264 which will start impacting their non-conference SOS.

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        • #6
          Originally posted by SB Shock View Post
          NCAA NET 12/3/18

          28. Houston
          41. CINN
          51. UCONN
          64. UCF
          72. Temple
          109. S. FLA
          132. WSU
          168. Memphis
          176. Tulane
          177. SMU
          225. Tulsa
          268. ECU
          Just as a comparison, Baylor had two games last week (at Home against NET #175 South Dakota and at NET #132 Wichita State) and they improved 20% from NET #185 to #148. They beat South Dakota by 6 points.

          Wichita State had just a single game against Baylor and went from NET #132 to NET #134, or 2% worse.

          The NCAA must have part of their formula to only count the 2nd half statistics in the Baylor/WSU game.
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          • #7
            Originally posted by WuShock Reaper View Post

            Just as a comparison, Baylor had two games last week (at Home against NET #175 South Dakota and at NET #132 Wichita State) and they improved 20% from NET #185 to #148. They beat South Dakota by 6 points.

            Wichita State had just a single game against Baylor and went from NET #132 to NET #134, or 2% worse.

            The NCAA must have part of their formula to only count the 2nd half statistics in the Baylor/WSU game.
            Actually WSU NET before the game was in the 150 range, so there was a substanial improvement. WSU NET had been dropping all week, I assume it was because some of WSU opponents had less than stellar weeks.

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            • #8
              Just waiting for the NCAA to release the full formula so I do things with it, but until then we can laugh at the terrible ranks this thing produces.

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              • Aargh
                #8.1
                Aargh commented
                December 4, 2018, 03:06 PM
                Editing a comment
                I've tried to respond to every post that expresses how bad this new formula is. Here's why: We don't have any idea how bad it is BECAUSE IT WON'T HAVE ANY VALIDITY UNTIL JANUARY OR FEBRUARY. Then you can complain about how bad it is, because there will be ample opportunities to point out how your (or mine, or somebody else's) opinion is vastly superior to this tool.
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            • #9
              Originally posted by FadedCrown View Post
              Just waiting for the NCAA to release the full formula so I do things with it, but until then we can laugh at the terrible ranks this thing produces.
              NCAA has no plans to release the formula. Transparency ain't their thing, to state the obvious. Gonna have to wait for someone like Pomeroy to reverse engineer it after they have a big enough sample of NET rankings.
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              • #10
                12/8/2018

                Overall
                Rank                		 NonCon
                SOS Rank                		 Season
                SOS Rank
                NCAA NET Rankings 131
                Live-RPI *
                Kenpom 85 109 113
                Haslametrics 106 84 84
                Realtime RPI TPR 23 48 48
                Warren Nolan ELO 71 90 92
                KPI Sports *
                ESPN BPI 111 109 109
                Massey Ratings 80 49 49
                Sagarin Ratings 97 108 108
                Team Rankings 85 78 82
                Donchess Ratings 106 68 68
                LRMC Rankings *
                Barttorvik Rankings 86 49 56

                * Have Not Started Posting 2018-19 Numbers.
                "Hank Iba decided he wouldn't play my team anymore. He told me that if he tried to get his team ready to play me, it would upset his team the rest of the season." Gene Johnson, WU Basketball coach, 1928-1933.

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                • #11
                  12/12/2018

                  Overall
                  Rank                  		 NonCon
                  SOS Rank                  		 Season
                  SOS Rank
                  NCAA NET Rankings 136
                  Live-RPI *
                  Kenpom 107 75 77
                  Haslametrics 144 71 71
                  Realtime RPI TPR 25 19 19
                  Warren Nolan ELO 90 20 24
                  KPI Sports 128 56 56
                  ESPN BPI 124 59 59
                  Massey Ratings 98 35 35
                  Sagarin Ratings 117 70 70
                  Team Rankings 102 47 49
                  Donchess Ratings 120 36 36
                  LRMC Rankings *
                  Barttorvik Rankings 106 31 34

                  * Have Not Started Posting 2018-19 Numbers.
                  "Hank Iba decided he wouldn't play my team anymore. He told me that if he tried to get his team ready to play me, it would upset his team the rest of the season." Gene Johnson, WU Basketball coach, 1928-1933.

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                  • #12
                    12/15/2018

                    Overall
                    Rank                    		 NonCon
                    SOS Rank                    		 Season
                    SOS Rank
                    NCAA NET Rankings 141
                    Live-RPI *
                    Kenpom 112 94 100
                    Haslametrics 139 76 76
                    Realtime RPI TPR 24 22 22
                    Warren Nolan ELO 80 22 25
                    KPI Sports 108 68 68
                    ESPN BPI 125 77 77
                    Massey Ratings 94 45 45
                    Sagarin Ratings 117 87 87
                    Team Rankings 109 63 86
                    Donchess Ratings 120 36 36
                    LRMC Rankings *
                    Barttorvik Rankings 109 43 47

                    * Have Not Started Posting 2018-19 Numbers.
                    "Hank Iba decided he wouldn't play my team anymore. He told me that if he tried to get his team ready to play me, it would upset his team the rest of the season." Gene Johnson, WU Basketball coach, 1928-1933.

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                    • #13
                      Just saw my KenPom sub just expired yesterday...

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                      • #14
                        Per Nolan's NET ratings, La Tech is better than any team in the MVC.
                        The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
                        We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.
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                        • #15
                          NET: Teams to follow

                          @ Oklahoma (19) - Q1 Loss
                          n Davidson (87) - Q2 Loss
                          n Providence (95) - Q2 Win - Need these 2 to stay at or above 100.
                          n Alabama (106) - Q3 Loss - Need them to get at or 100.
                          h Louisiana Tech (91) - Q3 Loss - Need them to get at or above 75.

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