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  • Aren't these shoe companies committing racketeering (see legal definition)? It can pretty easily be shown that they are repeatedly using a straw-man to commit acts of bribery, sports bribery, interference with commerce, and loan sharking.
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    • desousa and preston, prep all-americans, were paid big bucks to play at ku. how is ku a victim? 'seems like they are predatory.

      when will the ncaa be starting their own investigation? surely there is enough info (they usually accept less, much less) by now.

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      • Originally posted by another shocker View Post
        desousa and preston, prep all-americans, were paid big bucks to play at ku. how is ku a victim? 'seems like they are predatory.

        when will the ncaa be starting their own investigation? surely there is enough info (they usually accept less, much less) by now.
        It was reported that the FBI asked the NCAA to hold off on any action until the trial was complete. The NCAA does not have subpoena power but the FBI does. New rules allow the NCAA to use information obtained from 3rd parties (FBI), so there is no need for the NCAA to investigate at this point. I suspect they are letting the FBI do their thing and when the dust settles, they swoop (as opposed to swoosh) in and clean up after the FBI party is over

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        • Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post
          Aren't these shoe companies committing racketeering (see legal definition)? It can pretty easily be shown that they are repeatedly using a straw-man to commit acts of bribery, sports bribery, interference with commerce, and loan sharking.
          Showing that the universities were harmed would lead one to believe there was racketeering. The FBI's struggle is to show that the universities were harmed. To date, the articles I have read indicated the universities were HELPED by signing these high profile "student" athletes. With no harm, there is no conviction. With no conviction, there is no racketeering. I have no legal background, but from what I understand, the only potential laws broken are concerning using fraudulent student financial assistance and potential IRS issues with all parties involved. Up to this point, I haven't read anything presented by the government concerning IRS issue. My guess is that would be addressed at the conclusion of the trials.

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          • Originally posted by Wooglin View Post
            I suspect they are letting the FBI do their thing and when the dust settles, they swoop (as opposed to swoosh) in and clean up after the FBI party is over
            I see what you did there.

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            • Originally posted by Wooglin View Post
              Showing that the universities were harmed would lead one to believe there was racketeering. The FBI's struggle is to show that the universities were harmed. To date, the articles I have read indicated the universities were HELPED by signing these high profile "student" athletes. With no harm, there is no conviction. With no conviction, there is no racketeering. I have no legal background, but from what I understand, the only potential laws broken are concerning using fraudulent student financial assistance and potential IRS issues with all parties involved. Up to this point, I haven't read anything presented by the government concerning IRS issue. My guess is that would be addressed at the conclusion of the trials.
              An interesting thought is that the NCAA represents 300+ universities. Those universities that AREN'T the recipient of illegally bought and paid for student athletes are the ones that are harmed.
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              • “Represents” in name only. They don’t give two sh!ts about anybody but their money makers.
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                • Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post

                  An interesting thought is that the NCAA represents 300+ universities. Those universities that AREN'T the recipient of illegally bought and paid for student athletes are the ones that are harmed.
                  If the courts determine there was no harm to the schools and it was a legal business move, it could be equated that this whole thing is no different than what big box stores do to mom and pop stores every single day. The non "cheating" schools will extrapolate the reason they are not successful is because they haven't spent money (whether they have the $$$ or not) necessary to compete. Regardless of the outcome, cheating will potentially continue on all levels. As long as there is a revenue stream to the universities that is not equitably distributed to the student athlete, there will always be the temptation for cheating. IMO, the Olympic model (http://www.sportsmbablog.com/changin...olympic-model/) for athletes compensation is the closest anyone can come to removing cheating from college athletics.

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                  • The Kansas City Star printed some text messages htat were introduced at the trial. REALLY bad look for Self If Self didn't know anything that was going on, it seems unlikely he would call Gatto with a "Thank you" after DeSousa committed. KU fans are saying the call was to thank Gatto for providing outfits for the Angolan national team, which actually wore Nike gear.

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                    • Money or not .. isn't having someone that's considered a donor to school, doing recruiting a major violation? Self shouldn't be allowed to be talking to them at all about recruits, let alone having them do talking on behalf of the school. That's even without proof of a payment.

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                      • Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post
                        Money or not .. isn't having someone that's considered a donor to school, doing recruiting a major violation? Self shouldn't be allowed to be talking to them at all about recruits, let alone having them do talking on behalf of the school. That's even without proof of a payment.
                        True, but that will have to be NCAA investigating, not the courts.
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                        • Stickboy46
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                          Well .. yes I'm aware of that. I'm just saying, that I can't see how they can ignore this. Oh wait if it makes them more $$$$ to ignore it .. they will.

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                        • giskard
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                          A couple of shoe company guys will go to jail. Other than, nothing will come of it.



                      • Text messages between Bill Self and Gassnola at Adidas were shared in federal court recently and are pretty interesting. Seems to kill the whole "we're victims" argument that KU and some of sports media we're trying to push.

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                        • Originally posted by Walker View Post
                          https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...ruiting-works/

                          Text messages between Bill Self and Gassnola at Adidas were shared in federal court recently and are pretty interesting. Seems to kill the whole "we're victims" argument that KU and some of sports media we're trying to push.
                          If we would be KU, we'd get 3 years of probation.

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                          • Walker
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                            Or even the SMU death penalty.
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