Rumor: MSU to C-USA

[Aargh]

For those waiting with bated breath for some actual news on the situation, wait no more.

Missouri State University's president has stepped down one year into his contract, due to the financial quagmire the school is now facing.

http://news.missouristate.edu/2011/06/27/cofer/

I don't see any mention of financial problems in that link. Just a mention of responding to an audit.

I do recall that ast summer MSU sold one of their cattle herds to cover some expenses. MSU fans said that was just routine, but selling assets to cover expenses doesn't seem like a good "routine" to have.

[WuDrWu]

$165,000 to, and I quote, "to take next year and work with my colleagues across the country and here at MSU to sharpen up my teaching and research skills so that I can return to the classroom in the fall of 2012."


The stimulus plan for shovel ready jobs was a more effective use of dollars.


No wonder this country is going broke.

[SB Shock]

$165,000 to, and I quote, "to take next year and work with my colleagues across the country and here at MSU to sharpen up my teaching and research skills so that I can return to the classroom in the fall of 2012."


The stimulus plan for shovel ready jobs was a more effective use of dollars.


No wonder this country is going broke.

but everything is hunky dory, just watch the "why I am a democrat" movie.

[_kai_]

You know what CUSA was looking for with a team? A mediocre university, with horrible financial problems, that's only popular and successful sport being basketball, can't even sell out their arena, underselling nearly 3k tickets on average, during the one single year that MSU actually wins the Valley.

Yep, CUSA definitely wants that fine institution involved in their conference. Probably the single best candidate to join CUSA in the whole country.

[MoValley John]

While I admit I found much satisfaction in a bunch of MSU fans embarassing themselves on several message boards, having a Valley school suffering financial woes does nothing good for any of the other schools in the conference.

Oh well, MSU fans hate me more than any other fanbase, so rather than worry about the negative impact this has on the Valley, I guess I was right when I laughed at their cattle herd a year ago and it's time for me to gloat! :yahoo:

Rather than worry about MSU leaving the Valley in turmoil when they bolt for C-USA, we really need to boot them for a bigger name with more stable finances.

Does anyone have the balance sheets handy from Coffeyville CC?

[rjl]

$165,000 to, and I quote, "to take next year and work with my colleagues across the country and here at MSU to sharpen up my teaching and research skills so that I can return to the classroom in the fall of 2012."


The stimulus plan for shovel ready jobs was a more effective use of dollars.


No wonder this country is going broke.

but everything is hunky dory, just watch the "why I am a democrat" movie.

SB, with what you said and what was in the story being so disconnected, it's no wonder you are a spin-repeating parrot.

[SB Shock]

$165,000 to, and I quote, "to take next year and work with my colleagues across the country and here at MSU to sharpen up my teaching and research skills so that I can return to the classroom in the fall of 2012."


The stimulus plan for shovel ready jobs was a more effective use of dollars.


No wonder this country is going broke.

but everything is hunky dory, just watch the "why I am a democrat" movie.

SB, with what you said and what was in the story being so disconnected, it's no wonder you are a spin-repeating parrot.

Ha, parrot.... both parties are corrupt. But go ahead and whine, whine you liberal monkey.

[_kai_]

While I admit I found much satisfaction in a bunch of MSU fans embarassing themselves on several message boards, having a Valley school suffering financial woes does nothing good for any of the other schools in the conference.

Oh well, MSU fans hate me more than any other fanbase, so rather than worry about the negative impact this has on the Valley, I guess I was right when I laughed at their cattle herd a year ago and it's time for me to gloat! :yahoo:

Rather than worry about MSU leaving the Valley in turmoil when they bolt for C-USA, we really need to boot them for a bigger name with more stable finances.

Does anyone have the balance sheets handy from Coffeyville CC?

When I first heard that MSU was leaving, I actually had the thought that it might be the best thing for the conference, we could pick up a better school.

[SubGod22]

While I admit I found much satisfaction in a bunch of MSU fans embarassing themselves on several message boards, having a Valley school suffering financial woes does nothing good for any of the other schools in the conference.

Oh well, MSU fans hate me more than any other fanbase, so rather than worry about the negative impact this has on the Valley, I guess I was right when I laughed at their cattle herd a year ago and it's time for me to gloat! :yahoo:

Rather than worry about MSU leaving the Valley in turmoil when they bolt for C-USA, we really need to boot them for a bigger name with more stable finances.

Does anyone have the balance sheets handy from Coffeyville CC?

When I first heard that MSU was leaving, I actually had the thought that it might be the best thing for the conference, we could pick up a better school.

Except there aren't a lot of realistic options. We're not going to pick up a Butler/Dayton/Xavier. Outside of Majerus, SLU has no desire. ORU is about the only option on our side of the Valley that may accept that wouldn't be a total killer. UMKC isn't attractive. Nor are any of the schools in Arkansas. Outside of our area you have the Dakotas (not attractive) and a couple of the UW-Whatevers. None of the other Illinois schools would make any sense.

[moshock]

While I admit I found much satisfaction in a bunch of MSU fans embarassing themselves on several message boards, having a Valley school suffering financial woes does nothing good for any of the other schools in the conference.

Oh well, MSU fans hate me more than any other fanbase, so rather than worry about the negative impact this has on the Valley, I guess I was right when I laughed at their cattle herd a year ago and it's time for me to gloat! :yahoo:

Rather than worry about MSU leaving the Valley in turmoil when they bolt for C-USA, we really need to boot them for a bigger name with more stable finances.

Does anyone have the balance sheets handy from Coffeyville CC?

When I first heard that MSU was leaving, I actually had the thought that it might be the best thing for the conference, we could pick up a better school.

Except there aren't a lot of realistic options. We're not going to pick up a Butler/Dayton/Xavier. Outside of Majerus, SLU has no desire. ORU is about the only option on our side of the Valley that may accept that wouldn't be a total killer. UMKC isn't attractive. Nor are any of the schools in Arkansas. Outside of our area you have the Dakotas (not attractive) and a couple of the UW-Whatevers. None of the other Illinois schools would make any sense.

Valpo

[SubGod22]

While I admit I found much satisfaction in a bunch of MSU fans embarassing themselves on several message boards, having a Valley school suffering financial woes does nothing good for any of the other schools in the conference.

Oh well, MSU fans hate me more than any other fanbase, so rather than worry about the negative impact this has on the Valley, I guess I was right when I laughed at their cattle herd a year ago and it's time for me to gloat! :yahoo:

Rather than worry about MSU leaving the Valley in turmoil when they bolt for C-USA, we really need to boot them for a bigger name with more stable finances.

Does anyone have the balance sheets handy from Coffeyville CC?

When I first heard that MSU was leaving, I actually had the thought that it might be the best thing for the conference, we could pick up a better school.

Except there aren't a lot of realistic options. We're not going to pick up a Butler/Dayton/Xavier. Outside of Majerus, SLU has no desire. ORU is about the only option on our side of the Valley that may accept that wouldn't be a total killer. UMKC isn't attractive. Nor are any of the schools in Arkansas. Outside of our area you have the Dakotas (not attractive) and a couple of the UW-Whatevers. None of the other Illinois schools would make any sense.

Valpo

You're risking another Evansville. Student population under 5k. An arena that only holds a little over 5k. I believe the record is 5432 and average 3362. Not really sure how that's an upgrade.

[_kai_]

MSU's President just resigned today. Things sure are looking up for the Bears....

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

If schools leave the Valley for any conference "step-up" and Wichita State doesn't leave, it will be the nail in the coffin for us as very soon money will override sporting and we, along with most every other non-BCS team will be playing a different game.

I'm not giving up hope that Jim Schaus set us up to be very attractive to another conference, and that Eric Sexton is doing his best to maintain the status quo.

[SubGod22]

Current Valley Schools: Student Population - Endowment - Avg Attendance...

BU - 6100 - 198.5M - 8447
CU - 7400 - 317M - 13507
DU - 5200 - 135M - 4230
UE - 3000 - 59.6M - 4910
Red - 20900 - 60.6M - 4636
Blue - 11500 - 75M - 5602
MSU - 21000 - 48.7M - 7595
UNI - 13000 - 65.8M - 4767
SIU - 20000 - 100M - 4188
WSU - 14800 - 170.1M - 10428

Regional possibilities. Not real sexy

Valpo - 4000 - 140.8M - 3362
ORU - 3800 - 37.8M - 3369
UMKC - 15000 - ??? - 1327
Pine Bluff - 3300 - ??? - 3033
UCA - 11400 - 22.6M - 1348
Chicago St - 7100 - 3.7M - 1179
Cleveland St - 17200 - 43.7M - 3112
Detroit - 5500 - 22.1M - 2474
E. Ill - 11600 - 33.3M - 1137
Green Bay - 6500 - ??? - 3007
Ill-Chicago - 27300 - 149.8M - 3099
IPFW - 14200 - 25M - 1975
IUPUI - 37500 - 601M - 1252
Loyola - 16000 - 320M - 2428
Milwaukee - 30500 - 161M - 4154
Murray St - 10400 - 27.9M - 4062
NDSU - 14400 - 75.8M - 3305
N. Ill - 25300 - 57.1M - 1165
Oakland - 19000 - 39M - 4130
SDSU - 12800 - 49.1M - 2503
SEMO - 10500 - 28M - 2248
Little Rock - 13100 - ??? - 3085
W. Ill - 13600 - 19.6M - 759
Wright St - 19800 - 63.9M - 4792
Y'Town St - 15100 - ??? - 2261

The only one with better attendance than SIU (and SIU had a horrid year or three) is Wright State. Do any of these schools really offer much in making the conference better/stronger? Maybe a case could be made for a couple, but the Valley adding teams is only good if by some miracle they could add any of the ones below...

Wishful Thinking category:

Butler - 4500 - 128M - 7178
Dayton - 10500 - 346.6M - 12567
SLU - 16300 - 800M - 6299
Xavier - 7000 - 101M - 10098


Obviously, I'm bored at work again.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Current Valley Schools: Student Population - Endowment - Avg Attendance...

BU - 6100 - 198.5M - 8447
CU - 7400 - 317M - 13507
DU - 5200 - 135M - 4230
UE - 3000 - 59.6M - 4910
Red - 20900 - 60.6M - 4636
Blue - 11500 - 75M - 5602
MSU - 21000 - 48.7M - 7595
UNI - 13000 - 65.8M - 4767
SIU - 20000 - 100M - 4188
WSU - 14800 - 170.1M - 10428

Did you include graduate schools in the enrollment figures? I'm fairly certain that Creighton isn't up to 7400 undergrads.

Looking at those endowment figures is pretty alarming. I had no idea we had so many poorly capitalized institutions in the MVC.