Regional Location?

[rrshock]

I'm not sure what the answer is, but we have GOT to get out of the Valley and into a better conference before this pos conference pulls us down into a deep forgotten hole.

Lordy, isn't that the truth.

It's really pulling all our programs down now. Baseball is just seeming to get worse and worse. Our VB team is on their own pretty much. It's time to go.

Can WSU not leave the MVC for another conference for just baseball?

[SHOCKvalue]

I'm not sure what the answer is, but we have GOT to get out of the Valley and into a better conference before this pos conference pulls us down into a deep forgotten hole.

Lordy, isn't that the truth.

It's really pulling all our programs down now. Baseball is just seeming to get worse and worse. Our VB team is on their own pretty much. It's time to go.

Can WSU not leave the MVC for another conference for just baseball?

I'm a proponent for a wholesale move to C-USA as a somewhat realistic choice. Baseball is a definite step-up, while the remainder is more of a wash, BUT with the advantage of vastly better media markets and national perception. The question is, could C-USA deal with a member who brings nothing to the football table?

[KC Shox]

I'm not sure what the answer is, but we have GOT to get out of the Valley and into a better conference before this pos conference pulls us down into a deep forgotten hole.

Unless we get football, we are not moving on up to a better conference. The answer is to expand the MO Valley. As discussed before, if we could bring any two of Oral Roberts, St. Louis, or Butler into the conference, this would do wonders.

[WuDrWu]

I'm not sure what the answer is, but we have GOT to get out of the Valley and into a better conference before this pos conference pulls us down into a deep forgotten hole.

Unless we get football, we are not moving on up to a better conference. The answer is to expand the MO Valley. As discussed before, if we could bring any two of Oral Roberts, St. Louis, or Butler into the conference, this would do wonders.

Really? Yikes.....that's some serious shortsightedness KC.....

[twister17e]

OT: If you want a good laugh look at the OSU fans try to dodge the barrage against them on a Rivals thread here. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Another funny thing is we shutout Creighton in the MVC championship game 4-0 :lol: :yahoo:. Link

[ShockerFever]

LOL at the defensive Pokes. They should just be happy they're in and leave it at that. Actually trying to defend it makes em look even more douchy than they already are.

[KC Shox]

I'm not sure what the answer is, but we have GOT to get out of the Valley and into a better conference before this pos conference pulls us down into a deep forgotten hole.

Unless we get football, we are not moving on up to a better conference. The answer is to expand the MO Valley. As discussed before, if we could bring any two of Oral Roberts, St. Louis, or Butler into the conference, this would do wonders.

Really? Yikes.....that's some serious shortsightedness KC.....

Seriously Doc? What conference do you propose that would accept WSU without football that would also be a step up in baseball and at least comparable in basketball? I'm just curious.

[billybud]

I noticed that the Summit Confernce is growing....they have South Dakota, S.D. State, North Dakota State, and now North Dakota's Board of Ed has voted to accept invite to join Summit.

[WSUwatcher]

Travesty

LOL at the defensive Pokes. They should just be happy they're in and leave it at that. Actually trying to defend it makes em look even more douchy than they already are.

For once we're on the same side, Fever. Putting OSU in the tournament is a travesty, plain and simple. When you're in a league whose conference tournament includes 80% of the teams and you can't even qualify -- no surprise, with a 9-16 (.360!) record in league play -- you should be eliminated from further consideration, no questions asked. Otherwise, the regular season is truly meaningless.

Yes, I know, the power conference apologists -- and only them, because they're the ones who feel obligated to come up with an excuse for such embarrassing lapses by the clowns who choose the field -- will lamely offer the bogus argument that the field should include the best 64 teams. (Gee, only 64? I thought in NCAA math, two to the sixth power was 65.) But it's bogus because once you give automatic spots to every league, including the Ivies, the Northeast, the Metro Atlantic, and the MEAC and SWAC, the field is automatically not the best 64, and the premise is faulty.

Sure, the mighty Pokes have a reasonable RPI -- on that basis alone they're a more defensible choice than their league buddies the Jokehawks, who were given a pass and elevated over (for example) Dallas Baptist, which had both a substantially better record and RPI. Apparently the selector buffoons thought sweeping Texas, a legitimate feat even though it happened very early and really hasn't been validated since, outweighed all of KU's negative facts, such as their mediocre RPI, 0-3 flop in the Big 12 tourney, and 4-6 finish. Although, come to think of it, the Cowpatties finished 4-6 in their last 10 also, thanks to the break of not having to play three tournament games. So maybe if you play in the right league, a 4-6 finish is actually a plus.

But if the regular season is to have even a shred of meaning or integrity, failing to make the conference tournament should be an automatic and ironclad black flag. And if that excludes a team that the apologists want to defend, like Oklahoma State, then the solution is simple -- their league needs to change the tournament format so that season-long ineptitude doesn't prevent them from qualifying.

[WuDrWu]

Seriously Doc? What conference do you propose that would accept WSU without football that would also be a step up in baseball and at least comparable in basketball? I'm just curious.

No, I didn't communicate my point well at all. I am of the camp that would dearly LOVE to get out of the Valley. 'Cold said it best when he said we need more peers and less anklebiters. We carry this league on our backs whether other fans or you or anybody wants to admit it or not.

That being said.....it is NOT going to happen, at least not anytime in the near future. My problem with your comment is simply the teams you mentioned aren't going to help. More private schools that don't have any money to put into programs are going to help the Valley. We don't need another Evansville. I know that Butler has been great for a few years but you and I both know that is going to come to an end, sooner than later and they'll go back to being a DIII school. ORU? Please.....

Now, perhaps I'm wrong and these schools are about to seriously push their standards much higher (not just one sport) and if so, fine. BUT before they latch on to the proverbial teat, I want to see some serious committment from whatever school is going to join. Superconference, fine, but they have to earn their way in, not join and cash in.

[Rosewood]

ORU will not be the same ORU we see now in 20 years. The recent problems they have had are going to eventually cripple it as an organization.

[Veritas]

I'm not sure what the answer is, but we have GOT to get out of the Valley and into a better conference before this pos conference pulls us down into a deep forgotten hole.

Lordy, isn't that the truth.

It's really pulling all our programs down now. Baseball is just seeming to get worse and worse. Our VB team is on their own pretty much. It's time to go.

Can WSU not leave the MVC for another conference for just baseball?

How I wish the Big XII would take WSU for baseball. Can you imagine the attendance for weekend series against OU, OSU, KU, UNL, UT, and Missourah ? And with the current selection committee, we'd be guaranteed to get an NCAA bid year-after-year. We could then play the MoVal schools for the mid-week game.
Come on AD Sexton--- saddle up and get after it.

[SHOCKvalue]

ORU will not be the same ORU we see now in 20 years. The recent problems they have had are going to eventually cripple it as an organization.

You mean like having an endowment so small it would make Butler CCC blush, or the fact the school was established by a community of individuals widely considered to be a hairline away from a cult?

Stuff like that?

:D

[ShockerFever]

Some good locker room material maybe?

Here's a sports columnist's interesting thoughts about OU and their regional opponents:

http://newsok.com/sports

Go down a 1/4 of the page in the middle to Multimedia and click on the third video entitled Bedlam Nation: OU. Just watch the first 2 minutes and give me your thoughts.

[KC Shox]

Some good locker room material maybe?

Here's a sports columnist's interesting thoughts about OU and their regional opponents:

http://newsok.com/sports

Go down a 1/4 of the page in the middle to Multimedia and click on the third video entitled Bedlam Nation: OU. Just watch the first 2 minutes and give me your thoughts.

"OU thrashed WSU", I can't argue with that.

"WSU is not the WSU we have seen in the past, not as talented team", okay, can't really argue that one either.

"KU and K-State have gotten the better players out of that area" uh no.

KSU has 8 guys on their squad from Kansas high schools. Jordan Cruz from Hutch appears to be a miss from our standpoint.

KU has 12 guys on their squad from the state - 7 of them are from Lawrence high schools and 3 others from the heavy KU presence Johnson County, KS area. 2 are from the Wichita area.

Of those, Lee Ridenhour is a miss for us, Robby Price is the coaches son so he doesn't count and Brian Heere also from Lawrence is hitting .363 for them.

So this clown is dead wrong. We lost some recruits to KU, but I'm certain that KSU and KU have lost more to us than anything.

So being right 2 out of 3 times is pretty good I guess.