Rivals.com's 2009 Top 25

[ddog44]

The salient facts:

...the pitcher turned sideways in his motion and deliberately fired a ball at a players head.

...the player was at least 15 to 24 feet from the catcher and the ball was not accidentally thrown.

...the player, who was not watching the pitch, was severely injured.

It was an ugly play...and it was compounded by the fact that the pitcher was doing what he had been taught to do by his coach.

I love how other fans quote the things above to bring this once again to the forefront such as "your program taught your pitchers to do this" then follow up these irritatiing quotes with

It's done, it's old news now...time to move on.

It was what it was...but, gawd, that was a long time ago and is now ancient history.

If you relly felt that way, you wouldn't have even had to add the "salient facts" to your post.

This is of course JMHO

[SHOCKvalue]

It's done, it's old news now...time to move on.

Speaking of moving on...

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[vbird53]

I'm pretty sure I didn't start this thread in hopes of an argument about that incident in 1999.

I was more hoping that we would all rally around our hate of BCS schools, and force Kendall Rogers to change his mind by timing some sort of mass email campaign to the founders of rivals.com.

[billybud]

Look...I didn't bring up this incident in the thread...you guys did. By bringing it up you keep it current.

I commented on it's possible effect on WSU..and concurred with a poster that it might have effected recruiting.

And when a revisionist attempted to "soften" tha incident, I just layed out the facts. I understand rah rah fans...but I also think that what happened is what happened.

Although about 24 feet away, Christensen fired at his head...he had been taught by his coach to fire a ball and "brush back" an on deck hitter who he thought was too close ...that is a fact.

Christensen made an error in judgement...he didn't mean to injure the guy, only scare him. But..it wouldn't have happened without coaching input.

A guy with a 90+ mile an hour fast ball beaned a guy who was no where near the plate or the catcher as an act of intimidation...

As Brent Kimnitz explained to a reporter...

"(If) the on-deck hitter is standing too dose to home plate, you brush him back. I teach that.... So I guess if there needs to be blame, blame me. But it was an accident. Ben Christensen is just devastated."

"Too close" to me means brushing back a guy who is right off of the plate and interfering with the warm up...close is not standing 24 feet over to the side.

How many of you have seen, in the hundreds of games watched, pitchers who are warming up throw at an on deck batter standing off of the plate?

It was an unfortunate combination of a coaching philosphy and bad judgement by a player that culminated in a very ugly incident.

[SubGod22]

Some of your "facts" appear to be a little off compared to those who were there and saw it. Everyone agrees it was an unfortunate incident but I direct you to the post/picture that SB posted above.

[billybud]

and ...I agree..I probably shouldn't have responded again...but when a poster did not understand my comment about WSU's coaching involvment in the incident, I thought that I'd better explain my thought.

I'm through...thank you for your forbearance.

[SB Shock]

I just layed out the facts.

Well, you didn't really lay out any facts. All grab was some sensational quotes written by people who were not there and didn't see what happened.

but I also think that what happened is what happened.

I find this odd. Unless you were at the game and saw it happened, you don't know shat.

On another thread in this chat room you were complaining about the hostility you were getting - the answer to you question why people are showing you hostility, it's simple people are seeing through your little charade. Lets cut straight to it - your a troll, you know it, I know it and most everybody is figuring it out.

Your a condescending prack, who for whatever reason somehow gets some enjoyment out of tweaking Shocker fans. Not big deal, we get it all the time, but what it does really say about you is "LOSER".

[billybud]

LOL...

Condescending? Because I use decent syntax and write logically?

Use facts rather than emotion? Guilty, your honor.

Troll? Sure...anybody who sees events through other than the eyes of a team fan is a troll. I call it a different perspective.

Loser?

Well...usually those who are left to the resort of namecalling in a civil discussion...oh nevermind.

[Ta town]

LOL...

Condescending? Because I use decent syntax and write logically?

Use facts rather than emotion? Guilty, your honor.

Troll? Sure...anybody who sees events through other than the eyes of a team fan is a troll. I call it a different perspective.

Loser?

Well...usually those who are left to the resort of namecalling in a civil discussion...oh nevermind.

Let me ask you this billy, was the slide by WSU's ryan jones clean or dirty?

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

there is a huge difference between brushing back and throwing at somebody.

If Brent teaches the kids to brush back fine.

Ben threw at somebody big difference.

Sorry continue on I dont want facts to interfere with this arguement.

[SubGod22]

There's also the possibility of hitting someone while brushing them back. I doubt BC was trying to drill Molina in the head, but it happened and he paid the price. I hit my fair share of batters by throwing inside and not meaning to hit them. It happens.

Now, the fact that billy gets his facts from people who weren't at the game is funny. I've heard descriptions from many people who were there and SB has it correct and billy is off on what he continues to quote and throw out as "fact".

[Hill Sitter]

.... BCS schools, and force Kendall Rogers to change his mind by timing some sort of mass email campaign to the founders of rivals.com.

To be fair, 8 of this top 25 are from non BCS schools.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

There's also the possibility of hitting someone while brushing them back. I doubt BC was trying to drill Molina in the head, but it happened and he paid the price. I hit my fair share of batters by throwing inside and not meaning to hit them. It happens.
.

Contrary to what I wrote eariler I am in agreeance with you.

[vbird53]

.... BCS schools, and force Kendall Rogers to change his mind by timing some sort of mass email campaign to the founders of rivals.com.

To be fair, 8 of this top 25 are from non BCS schools.

Oh, I know. I guess sarcasm just really doesn't come through the computer as well as I'd hoped.


I should learn to use more emoticons...

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[shockfan89]

Although about 24 feet away, Christensen fired at his head...he had been taught by his coach to fire a ball and "brush back" an on deck hitter who he thought was too close ...that is a fact.

As Brent Kimnitz explained to a reporter...

"(If) the on-deck hitter is standing too dose to home plate, you brush him back. I teach that.... So I guess if there needs to be blame, blame me. But it was an accident. Ben Christensen is just devastated."

Here is where "fact" is iffy at best. BK never said this and was entirely misquoted. How can someone in the on-deck circle be too close to home plate? It makes zero sense! Does the on-deck circle move? Does home plate move? What BK said was that he teaches his pitchers to throw brush back pitches to batters who are too close to home plate. Just like EVERY other good pitching coach in the country.

The reporter who "quoted" this obviously doesn't know much about baseball. There was NO coaching involvement of any type in this event. Sorry to distort the truth with the real facts billy...