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[billybud]

Huh? So...The pitching coach was misquoted? How do you know that? The pitching coach's comments were widely reported at the time...by Topeka and Wichita reporters.

It was no coincidence that Kimnitz was suspended for the rest of the season by the conference....it was because of his statements reported through the press.

Do you think coaches are suspended for a season because a pitcher beans someone? Nope. Not unless, of course, the coach's actions contribute. And you'd think that, if misquoted, the coach would yelp.

Nope...there was an investigation, including the measurement and determination of where Molina was standing, and what the pitching policy was re on deck batters who strayed too close. Both actors were suspended.

That's just the way it was...

I have no puppy in this hunt....but I tell it the way I see it..and the past doesn't change just because you love your team.

Let's let this go

[billybud]

Let me ask you this billy, was the slide by WSU's ryan jones clean or dirty?

Clean or dirty isn't really the terms I would apply. He slid a good two feet away from the base and into the 2nd baseman in, as he has admitted, an attempt to break up a double play ("I was just doing whatever I could to bust up the play").

A very good play in the pro's. Against the rule in college. Not dirty, just against the college rule.

[SubGod22]

Then you'll admit that the slide by FSU in the next half inning was against the rules as well? I've yet to see an FSU fan say this. Granted, I also don't spend any time on their boards.

[billybud]

Holt's slide was in the rules...BUT the gratuitous leg kick after he crossed the plate was enough to get him thrown out by some officials.

It was what it was...a kid charged with emotion and set on "pay back". He was lucky he wasn't ejected.

I didn't get a good look until I saw the game on my hard drive..(at the game, I didn't see it as clearly.

[billybud]

In fact...that's a good discussion point...

What is "legal" when you are coming into home plate and the catcher is awaiting a throw.

...I've seen players barrel into the catcher with their legs, body, and arms.

....catchers have been knocked out, legs broken, sliced by cleats.


I haven't looked up the rule yet...but, LOL, you have to be a man to catch.

[Ta town]

Let me ask you this billy, was the slide by WSU's ryan jones clean or dirty?

Clean or dirty isn't really the terms I would apply. He slid a good two feet away from the base and into the 2nd baseman in, as he has admitted, an attempt to break up a double play ("I was just doing whatever I could to bust up the play").

A very good play in the pro's. Against the rule in college. Not dirty, just against the college rule.

What? I'm talking about ryan jones. The first slide that caused the stitches. You know the one where FSU's second baseman gave a terrible feed to the SS causing him to come off the bag by about a foot or two and running into ryan jones as he started to slide.

Please continue..........I want to hear your very logical and unbiased opinion.

[shockfan89]

Huh? So...The pitching coach was misquoted? How do you know that? The pitching coach's comments were widely reported at the time...by Topeka and Wichita reporters.

It was no coincidence that Kimnitz was suspended for the rest of the season by the conference....it was because of his statements reported through the press.

Do you think coaches are suspended for a season because a pitcher beans someone? Nope. Not unless, of course, the coach's actions contribute. And you'd think that, if misquoted, the coach would yelp.

Nope...there was an investigation, including the measurement and determination of where Molina was standing, and what the pitching policy was re on deck batters who strayed too close. Both actors were suspended.

That's just the way it was...

I have no puppy in this hunt....but I tell it the way I see it..and the past doesn't change just because you love your team.

Let's let this go

Whatever!! Your an idiot too! The man has been coaching for 30 years. If he had a history of this or ANYTHING close to this had ever happened before I would agree with you. Either he is a terrible coach and should be fired because only one of his pitchers listened to him in 30 years or MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, the facts didn't actually come out.

Keep in mind WSU did themselves no favors by preventing their coaches/players from talking to the media when the opposing coaches/players were allowed to say anything they wanted. Keep in mind there was also a court proceeding and trial and WSU coaches and the University were found to have no fault in the matter whatsoever. Where were these supposed facts in court billy?

[billybud]

http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2007/2007_baseball_rules.pdf

Page 93 and 94 offer a clear rule on the slide into into second...includes diagram of where runner is expected to slide...

[SubGod22]

I jumped the gun as well. The Jones slide was fine and was all on the 2nd baseman. I was thinking about the second slide after whatshisname was already injured. If that slide was outside the rules than so was the slide by I believe FSU third baseman the next half inning. The only difference was the FSU SS had previously been injured and the WSU SS was able to avoid contact.

The slide by Holt at home was uncalled for and by far the worst of the 4 slides considering his intent to actually harm.

[billybud]

Must be in a "direct line between the bases"...if he were in a direct line, would he have hit the 2nd baseman?

The question is..where was the runner on the basepath when contact occurred? Was the 2nd baseman in a "protected" area.

I really didn't get a good look of the first slide even on my TV. The perspective was more from the third base side of the field than straight down the line between the bases. It is hard for the human eye to determine in the shot that I saw whether the runner was on a direct line or not.

[shockfan89]

I really didn't get a good look of the first slide even on my TV. The perspective was more from the third base side of the field than straight down the line between the bases. It is hard for the human eye to determine in the shot that I saw whether the runner was on a direct line or not.

I can agree with that, but what was easy to determine was that the bad throw brought the SS into the basepath and into the runner who had already started his slide making it virtually impossible for either of them to avoid contact.

[billybud]

"on any force play the runner must slide on the ground before the base and in a direct line between the two bases."

"directly into a base" means the runners entire body (feet, legs, trunk, and arms) must stay in a straight line between the bases.

The diagram is pretty clear that the runner can cross over the top of the base, have momentum through the base...but can not slide into the "protected" areas that extend out from each side of the base itself.

[billybud]

I don't think the first slide caused anybody any heart burn...FSU guys thought that the 2nd slide was outside the rule and that the ref blew it.

It's no big deal..neither slide was intended to cause injury...it was just baseball. But in a very important game, emotions run high.

You could tell by my first response...the 1st slide really never was any real issue.

[Ta town]

I don't think the first slide caused anybody any heart burn...FSU guys thought that the 2nd slide was outside the rule and that the ref blew it.

It's no big deal..neither slide was intended to cause injury...it was just baseball. But in a very important game, emotions run high.

You could tell by my first response...the 1st slide really never was any real issue.

ref blew it huh?

[billybud]

Where were these supposed facts in court billy?

You do know that the parties settled out of court before trial. Molina settled with the appellants, Stephenson, Kemnitz and Christensen.

Part of the negotiated settlement included that the settlement be sealed and confidential.