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[shockfan89]

And since you are so big on what the "refs" miss. Try the rules for pregame warm up from the NCAA rule book.

No uniformed team members or coaches shall stand near or behind home plate, or behind the backstop while the pitcher is throwing warm-up pitches or pitching to a batter. The on-deck batter is prohibited from being within a triangle created by an extension of the first and third base foul lines. The on-deck batter must be in the vicinity of the dugout. PENALTY - The umpire first should warn the offender(s), and if the violator(s) do not immediately move away, the indivdual(s) shall be ejected from the game. If ejected, the individual(s) shall not communicate with eligible team representatives.

There is plenty of blame to go around, but had Molina followed the rules and had the umpires enforced them, this never would have even occurred. Didn't billy state Molina had every right to be where he was? Another false statement according to the rules. The false statements are really starting to add up on you billboy. I will go back to my koolaid now. :-)

[Ta town]

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/news/020205christensen.html

http://www.yaleherald.com/archive/xxviii/1999.09.03/sports/p25bialik.html

http://www.yaleherald.com/archive/xxviii/1999.09.03/sports/p25bialik.html

You already have posted the legal document thatverifies Christensen's testimony that he was under instruction...

so were does it say exactly that Ben was told to HIT MOLINA IN THE HEAD?

[Ta town]

Seriously it's about football season shouldn't you be on warchant talking about Geno screaming at cops or 25 players involved in academic fraud?

[William]

And since you are so big on what the "refs" miss. Try the rules for pregame warm up from the NCAA rule book.

No uniformed team members or coaches shall stand near or behind home plate, or behind the backstop while the pitcher is throwing warm-up pitches or pitching to a batter. The on-deck batter is prohibited from being within a triangle created by an extension of the first and third base foul lines. The on-deck batter must be in the vicinity of the dugout. PENALTY - The umpire first should warn the offender(s), and if the violator(s) do not immediately move away, the indivdual(s) shall be ejected from the game. If ejected, the individual(s) shall not communicate with eligible team representatives.

There is plenty of blame to go around, but had Molina followed the rules and had the umpires enforced them, this never would have even occurred. Didn't billy state Molina had every right to be where he was? Another false statement according to the rules. The false statements are really starting to add up on you billboy. I will go back to my koolaid now. :-)

I'm on your side and all but that triangle the rules speak of is other wise known as the field of play, and Molina wasn't on it.

[shockfan89]

Gotcha. LOL But I was talking about the part that states the on-deck hitter MUST be in the vicinity of the dugout which by SB's awesome illustration, you can see that Molina wasn't even close to where he was supposed to be according to the rules.

[SB Shock]

Riddle me this...why was Kemnitz suspended for the season by the conference after the investigation?

No, he was not suspended for the season.

[SB Shock]

A interesting thing happened a week or two after the WSU series. Indiana State threw at a Evansville player for being in a similiar location as Molina.

There were ejections, but the MVC really kept it pretty quiet and since it was EU and Indy St there was almost nill media coverage.

[shockandawe08]

Is it safe to come back in here? :whistle: Whew! I knew there would be fireworks since billy just couldn't resist adding his .02 worth of fuel, igniting a bonfire in the process. :shock: I remember thinking,"billy, billy, billy... why? Why couldn't you just pass this by with no comment?" It would have been the wisest course.
I wasn't at that game and so I don't feel qualified to speak on it. Ahh, if others could just do the same. :cry:
I haven't been here long, but I have still been clued in to his back-handed compliments and his not so subtle digs, probably because I tend to read between the lines (not always a good thing, mind you). I'm beginning to think that our not-so-charming billy has been banished from his Warchant message board and, if your own family doesn't want you, what does that say?
And, billy, if you just can't stay away from SN, please remember that it's "better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." Thank you.
And, William, the fact that you disagreed with billy, for once, has finally convinced me that you and he are in fact NOT the same person. There for a while, I wasn't so sure... :lol:

[SpanglerFan316]

I was listening to the game (actually pregame) when BC hit Molina. Mike was shocked but I recall he said on the air something like "I looked away for a moment and a UE player was hit by the pitcher."

I believe there had been bad blood between UE and WSU for several years before the incident. If I remember correctly, UE dugouts don't have solid walls and fans would walk past the WSU dugout at UE and spit or throw drinks on WSU players. Someone more knowledgable might confirm or refute this information.

If I recall correctly, UE players often stretched the rules like Molina did (by violating the NCAA rule " No uniformed team members or coaches shall stand near or behind home plate, or behind the backstop while the pitcher is throwing warm-up pitches or pitching to a batter.") It seems like this was a pattern but I don't recall particular incidents. Perhaps I'm wrong. Feel free to jump in. :D

The bottom line, I think, was that there were two teams who didn't like one another. In such an atmosphere, it is easier to believe a player on the other team was trying to cheat. I think this had more to do with BC's decision to throw at Molina than anything a coach may or may not have said.

Every coach wants his team to play tough; just look at the (LBSU) dirtbags. Just because a coach says "Be tough" doesn't mean he wants his pitcher to throw at players on the other team. However I wasn't there and I don't know who said what.

[shockandawe08]

SpanglerFan316,

Like I said previously, I wasn't there, nor did I CLOSELY follow the team at that time. However, my gut feeling (or female intuition, or whatever you want to call it) tells me that in NO way should this be blamed on the WSU coaches. Nothing I've seen, heard, or read ( though, as a former journalist, I can sadly attest that you shouldn't necessarily believe everything you read) indicates an established pattern of that type of behavior, either before or since. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, let's say that a pitching coach advocates throwing close enough to a batter (for example, Fla. St.'s Holt, who has a known history of getting on base by leaning into pitches)... how does that translate to somehow hitting a batter who is not even standing in the batter's box, let alone the on deck circle ? Color me stupid, people, but I just don't get how BC's action could possibly be BK's fault. These are just my unbiased (perhaps ignorant) thoughts on this subject. Feel free to show me the error of my ways. Could there be more to this story than any of us know? Did Molina steal BC's girlfriend or something? Did he trash talk before the game (I hate that)? I don't know. Do you? I'm not saying that excuses what happened, just like it doesn't excuse the crimes of passion that happen every day. What I do believe is that if BC had a legitimate leg to stand on in blaming others for his folly, surely the hands of fate would have been kinder to him. What goes around, comes around, IMHO. But, I'm not naive. I realize innocent people are caught in the crossfire (dating back to ???) and suffer greatly, through no fault of their own. I'm just not "feeling" it in this case, right or wrong. Okay, give me a five minute head start for my bunker...I'm slower now, people. ;-)

[SB Shock]

Is it safe to come back in here? :whistle: Whew! I knew there would be fireworks since billy just couldn't resist adding his .02 worth of fuel, igniting a bonfire in the process. :shock: I remember thinking,"billy, billy, billy... why? Why couldn't you just pass this by with no comment?"

Because he's a troll. All he's here is to disrupt and divert attention and that what he's did exactly in this thread.

If you notice in all the threads he post in, he's not adding anything of substance to the conversation, but he's diverting off of the topic at hand or it all become about himself.

[SB Shock]

I believe there had been bad blood between UE and WSU for several years before the incident. If I remember correctly, UE dugouts don't have solid walls and fans would walk past the WSU dugout at UE and spit or throw drinks on WSU players. Someone more knowledgable might confirm or refute this information.

I don't recall there being any bad blood between the two teams. Only bad blood I have seen now is between whatever team Brownlee coaches for and WSU (but that is more at the coaches level than player).

I believe the incident your referring to happened was at Indiana St in '98. The dugout there has opening and drunk student were coming up spitting, throwing beer and hurling racial stuff at the players and Casey Davis. Casey Davis got tired of it and decided to go talk to a couple students.

[William]

Is it safe to come back in here? :whistle: Whew! I knew there would be fireworks since billy just couldn't resist adding his .02 worth of fuel, igniting a bonfire in the process. :shock: I remember thinking,"billy, billy, billy... why? Why couldn't you just pass this by with no comment?" It would have been the wisest course.
I wasn't at that game and so I don't feel qualified to speak on it. Ahh, if others could just do the same. :cry:
I haven't been here long, but I have still been clued in to his back-handed compliments and his not so subtle digs, probably because I tend to read between the lines (not always a good thing, mind you). I'm beginning to think that our not-so-charming billy has been banished from his Warchant message board and, if your own family doesn't want you, what does that say?
And, billy, if you just can't stay away from SN, please remember that it's "better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." Thank you.
And, William, the fact that you disagreed with billy, for once, has finally convinced me that you and he are in fact NOT the same person. There for a while, I wasn't so sure... :lol:

Shock, this really isn't, like a ..... chatroom, did you have something interesting to add to the disscussion?

[ShockerFever]

I find it interesting billy referred to this incident as 'old news' and 'ancient history' and then goes on for 4 more pages about it, right in the middle of it.

And of all fans to be commenting on the issue, it is from a fan of the classiest fanbase on earth, FSU.

[vbird53]

I believe there had been bad blood between UE and WSU for several years before the incident. If I remember correctly, UE dugouts don't have solid walls and fans would walk past the WSU dugout at UE and spit or throw drinks on WSU players. Someone more knowledgable might confirm or refute this information.

I don't recall there being any bad blood between the two teams. Only bad blood I have seen now is between whatever team Brownlee coaches for and WSU (but that is more at the coaches level than player).

I believe the incident your referring to happened was at Indiana St in '98. The dugout there has opening and drunk student were coming up spitting, throwing beer and hurling racial stuff at the players and Casey Davis. Casey Davis got tired of it and decided to go talk to a couple students.

Yep, that was Indiana St., not Evansville.