CWS

[twister17e]

Give it a few years...Shockers still fail to get to Omaha...some fans will come howling for a new coach.

Why because:

Division 1 Active Coaching Records
Winningest % wise active coaches
#1 Gene Stephenson, Wichita St. Years 27 Won 1,455 Lost 465 Tied 3 Pct .757
#2 Mike Martin, Florida St. Years 25 Won 1,338 Lost 452 Tied 4 Pct .747

NOTE: All time, Gene drops to #4 and Mike drops to #7

Division 1 Active Coaching Records
Winningest # of victories wise active coaches
#1 Augie Garrido, Texas Years 36 Won 1,486 Lost 701 Tied 8 Pct .679
#2 Gene Stephenson, Wichita St. Years 27 Won 1,455 Lost 465 Tied 3 Pct .757
...
#5 Mike Martin, Florida St Years 25 Won 1,338 Lost 452 Tied 4 Pct .747
Source

NCAA College World Series Appearances
Florida State
1957, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1970 (runner up), 1975, 1980, 1986 (runner up), 1987, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999 (runner up), 2000, 2008

0 Titles
19-34 record

Wichita State
1982 (runner up), 1988, 1989 (winner), 1991 (runner up), 1992, 1993 (runner up), 1996

1 Title
16-9 record

Source

The point I'm trying to make is both Florida State & Wichita State have a rich history in college baseball. Both are not mid tier programs. You can not ignore what Gene has done for the Wichita State program, building it up from scratch. Not to mention doing this in Kansas, which is not prime recruiting ground like California, Texas or Florida. While we have a college world series appearance drought, this appears (hopefully) to be coming to an end. As you can see, when we do make it to Omaha, we plan on staying around for a little while (generally). Also, for back to back seasons now we have made super regionals and only needed one more win this year to advance to Omaha. It wasn't meant to be this year I guess or last year with Irvine coming back to win in the 9th, but our time is coming and just maybe we will get to host Florida State at Eck :D .

[shockandawe08]

SpanglerFan 316,

I, too, have been browsing the FSU site for fun, not posting anything - just soaking it in. I saw the thread that you excerpted a post from, but this is the one that made me sit up and notice:

From Warchant.com; Section B online
Re: Serious question ... is it Mike Martin's fault that we haven't hit?
DDennis73 wrote...

"Sometimes a program just needs a change. Martin doesnt deserve to be fired. That would be crazy. He has performed great and built a solid program. But that being said I think even the most ardent Martin supporters would have a hard time arguing that he is one of the best game or series managers in college baseball.

You cant say that a manager doesnt have a huge impact in college baseball. Texas was in a bad spot before they brought in Auggie. Yes they had tradition and titles before they got there but FSU was in much better shape than the one Auggie took over. Auggie was a manager that made a difference. Just like Bertman did at LSU.

There are lots of coaches that luck into a title. I think you can say that about Gene Stephenson (sp?) and Lopez when at Pepperdine (I believe he was the coach when they won it). Martin is a better coach than those guys. But then you have the elite managers. The Auggies, Bertman's. Martin is not in that category and IMO not even close. Martin could very well get a title, but I think it would be situation where it falls in his lap rather than him coaching them to a title."

...
Instead of focusing on recruiting, I guess we should stock up on rabbit's feet and four-leaf clovers. :shock:

[SHOCKvalue]

From Warchant.com; Section B online
Re: Serious question ... is it Mike Martin's fault that we haven't hit?
DDennis73 wrote...

"Sometimes a program just needs a change. Martin doesnt deserve to be fired. That would be crazy. He has performed great and built a solid program. But that being said I think even the most ardent Martin supporters would have a hard time arguing that he is one of the best game or series managers in college baseball.

You cant say that a manager doesnt have a huge impact in college baseball. Texas was in a bad spot before they brought in Auggie. Yes they had tradition and titles before they got there but FSU was in much better shape than the one Auggie took over. Auggie was a manager that made a difference. Just like Bertman did at LSU.

There are lots of coaches that luck into a title. I think you can say that about Gene Stephenson (sp?) and Lopez when at Pepperdine (I believe he was the coach when they won it). Martin is a better coach than those guys. But then you have the elite managers. The Auggies, Bertman's. Martin is not in that category and IMO not even close. Martin could very well get a title, but I think it would be situation where it falls in his lap rather than him coaching them to a title."

Yeah, Gene sure lucked into his title, and he's most definitely a lesser coach and manager than MM. That's why he's had the Shockers in the CWS championship game four separate times with a win, compared to MM's three trips and nada. I guess that's also why GS has a record of 16-11 (.593) in the CWS, versus MM's record of 17-26 (.395):roll:

Considering he's 1-3 in the CWS championship game, I'd have to say GS is more unlucky than lucky.

Face it, the vast majority of FSU fans are not really college baseball fans, just ignorant BCS homers. The inane Section B silliness is evidence of such. They just don't have anything to do each year from January to August, so they have to find some "filler".

[twister17e]

There are lots of coaches that luck into a title. I think you can say that about Gene Stephenson (sp?) and Lopez when at Pepperdine (I believe he was the coach when they won it). Martin is a better coach than those guys. But then you have the elite managers. The Auggies, Bertman's. Martin is not in that category and IMO not even close. Martin could very well get a title, but I think it would be situation where it falls in his lap rather than him coaching them to a title."

...
Instead of focusing on recruiting, I guess we should stock up on rabbit's feet and four-leaf clovers. :shock:

What a joke, see my post above. Gene has been to the title game 4 times and won one of those. FSU has been 3 times and hasn't one. However, FSU has had 19 chances to win one and even closer with 3 times runner up. If luck came into play, FSU should have had at LEAST one title but they don't :lol:.

Gene built the program from scratch & is all time winningest % wise active coach. He only needs like a handful more wins to lead in victories as well. Once he passes Garrido (if he does), will FSU fans say he lucked into those wins to . It's about time FSU gets schooled in baseball history & I really wish we could have gotten one more win against them more & more now. Besides we saw Mike's class at the Super Regionals & especially in Omaha. Karma has spoken.

[Zardoz]

Funny how when you see WSU on TV you see Gene referred to as the legendary coach of WSU. When he came here we had what? Maybe a bat or two and a bucket full of balls? Drive out to Eck and see what we have now. Not bad work for a nobody that lucked into their CWS title.

[shockandawe08]

twister17e,

Whoa! Back the horse up. Don't attribute the above post to me....I simply passed it along so you could get your panties in a knot. Guess it worked... :lol:
Seriously, read the entire post before you go off next time. I'm a fan of GS and his career in baseball, so obviously my comment about rabbit's feet and four-leaf clovers was just me being sarcastic. Or attempting to. :yes:

[ShockerFever]

From Warchant.com; Section B online
Re: Serious question ... is it Mike Martin's fault that we haven't hit?
DDennis73 wrote...

"Sometimes a program just needs a change. Martin doesnt deserve to be fired. That would be crazy. He has performed great and built a solid program. But that being said I think even the most ardent Martin supporters would have a hard time arguing that he is one of the best game or series managers in college baseball.

You cant say that a manager doesnt have a huge impact in college baseball. Texas was in a bad spot before they brought in Auggie. Yes they had tradition and titles before they got there but FSU was in much better shape than the one Auggie took over. Auggie was a manager that made a difference. Just like Bertman did at LSU.

There are lots of coaches that luck into a title. I think you can say that about Gene Stephenson (sp?) and Lopez when at Pepperdine (I believe he was the coach when they won it). Martin is a better coach than those guys. But then you have the elite managers. The Auggies, Bertman's. Martin is not in that category and IMO not even close. Martin could very well get a title, but I think it would be situation where it falls in his lap rather than him coaching them to a title."

Yeah, Gene sure lucked into his title, and he's most definitely a lesser coach and manager than MM. That's why he's had the Shockers in the CWS championship game four separate times with a win, compared to MM's three trips and nada. I guess that's also why GS has a record of 16-11 (.593) in the CWS, versus MM's record of 17-26 (.395):roll:

Considering he's 1-3 in the CWS championship game, I'd have to say GS is more unlucky than lucky.

Face it, the vast majority of FSU fans are not really college baseball fans, just ignorant BCS homers. The inane Section B silliness is evidence of such. They just don't have anything to do each year from January to August, so they have to find some "filler".

You hit the nail on the head.

Seriously, 'the Animals of Section B'? #### is that?

[ISASO]

SARCASM ALERT: Yes, and it's also total luck that Gene took a team to the National Championship Game three years after he started the program. I doubt there was a single bat or bucket of balls around. After all, it had been 9 years since the last game was played at WSU.

[billybud]

LOL...take one poster comment and then, out of that, extract that you like what he says about Martin...but, wait..it's evidence of baseball ignorance what he says about Stephenson...

And then calling FSU baseball fans "less than knowledgable fans"..LOFL..

Sour effin" grapes.....

I know...I know..

....the animals are silly
....the stadium is small (but not as small as Eck, and that's a fact)
....the Coach is rude
....it's too hot in Florida


and...we got beat.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

The eck is smaller than the dick???

[SHOCKvalue]

The eck is smaller than the dick???

He's talking about field dimensions.

Anyways, guess we'll be seein' ya then billybud. Do let the door hit you on the way out.

[billybud]

Yep..it is...

Eck is shorter in left and center...longer in right.

Eck is as much shorter in left field as it is longer in right (but without a 30 foot screen on the fence in left)..and Eck is shorter down the middle.

[billybud]

We had the dimensions on an earlier thread....

[ShockerFever]

And then calling FSU baseball fans "less than knowledgable fans"..LOFL..

When the majority of fans who show up to your stadium care more about what's gonna be chanted next, and when song books are prefered more over scorecards, that's when most go for the assumption of FSU baseball fans being less than knowledgable fans.

[billybud]

OK...that's your generalization. If it works for you..OK.

Sound like sour grapes to me...the animals have fun...but they know baseball. Many have been season ticket holders for 10 years or more.

If it isn't like you..it must be bad...that's the "tribal thinking" that is genetically ingrained in all of us...

The Nole fans don't have glass heads...and I doubt seriously you have any idea about what they know other than that which you project.