CWS

[ShockerFever]

Of course..Miami, now in the ACC has won...

Miami is a big boy...they won NC's in 1982, 1985, 1999, 2001...and have now gone to the NCAA Regionals for a record 37 times.

I have always believed that the Canes usually put up one of the better teams in the South.

Unfortunately, Miami didn't represent the ACC name back in those good ol' days, so they don't count.

So it still stands, one for the ACC, back in 1955. That equilates them to.. gulp.. the Valley?..

[SpanglerFan316]

What's the over/under on how much longer billybob stays? He's becoming tiresome...

At least he gives us something to discuss. Visit other Valley boards and look at how dead they are.

[KC Shox]

LOL...if there are "digs" it is in interpretation.

Example...you guys believe that WSU is above mid tier..I don't. But, I also base it on my perspective that FSU is also mid tier.


If I answer posts about FSU's "tiny" stadium and show (by comparing listed dimensions) that it is larger than Eck..that's just fact, not a dig.

Oh well...it would be a boring board indeed in the off season without a poltergeist...

Please Billy, continue to stay on this board. We welcome any fan of another program to chime in and give insight - especially east coast, BCS insight.

With that said, you don't believe WSU is above mid tier in baseball, so what do you think of Memphis basketball? They are members of a non-BCS conference but they are obviously year-in and year-out a Top 25 basketball team. Yes different sports, but you have two programs from non-BCS conferences that consistently play at a Top 25 level.

Would you consider Rice baseball as mid-tier as well? They have 7 appearances in their history at the CWS and one national championship. Just like Wichita State. I would venture a guess that 99.9% of all college baseball fans would classify Rice as above mid-tier level.

Just some food for thought.

Oh and lastly, I disagree with you if you think FSU is a mid-tier program. They obviously are a baseball powerhouse in a powerhouse BCS conference. Although I do appreciate your humbleness.

[billybud]

You know...Memphis is a really good basketball program.

Some schools have a top flight program in one sport but other sports may not be at that level. Memphis is a "basketball school" in the same way that Clemson and Virginia Tech are "football schools". The "tier ranking" of schools is individual per sport.

Example, Duke I'd put in the top tier in basketball..but let's not put football and the Blue Devils in the same sentence.

The East is rife with "basketball schools"...you don't think football when you hear about Georgetown, DePaul, St. John's, Villanova.

North Carolina is basketball country with North Carolina, Wake, and Duke all within spitting distance.

There are major philosophical and political differences in the ACC revolving around sport culture. The basketball schools controlled the league until very recently. If it wasn't for football revenue..NC, Duke, and Wake would have football as a secondary sport. they did not want to do anything to change the basketball round robin scheduling and opposed expansion.

Clemson, FSU, VT and to some extent, Georgia Tech, are more akin to SEC programs. Huge fan interest in football, a lot of interest in baseball, and basketball is the third sport. Miami is right in there with that mix but doesn't have the "southern culture" accoutrements as attachments.

Go to an SEC football game or a Clemson or FSU game...not a lot of difference. Same guys screaming while wearing B-B-Que stained T shirts stretched too tightly over a beer gut.

Go to a North Carolina football game where they break the wine and cheese out of picnic baskets and dress up to go to the game and you think that you are in the Ivy League..big cultural differences.

On an aside...have you noticed that the Big East can't seem to put up a decent baseball team? Great basketball, some very good football, and nada baseball.

[billybud]

I don't think that a non BCS school located west of the Mississippi has made the final four in since UNLV in 1991.

In fact, it is a rare occurance for a non BCS school located west of the Misssissippi to break into the final four...it's been 17 years since UNLV.

UNLV in 90 and 91...Houston twice in the mid 80's.

[billybud]

You know...Memphis is a really good basketball program.

Some schools have a top flight program in one sport but other sports may not be at that level. Memphis is a "basketball school" in the same way that Clemson and Virginia Tech are "football schools". The "tier ranking" of schools is individual per sport.

Example, Duke I'd put in the top tier in basketball..but let's not put football and the Blue Devils in the same sentence.

The East is rife with "basketball schools"...you don't think football when you hear about Georgetown, DePaul, St. John's, Villanova.

North Carolina is basketball country with North Carolina, Wake, and Duke all within spitting distance. Not to mention Jimmy V's ghost still prowking around NC State.

There are major philosophical and political differences in the ACC revolving around sport culture. The basketball schools controlled the league until very recently. If it wasn't for football revenue..NC, Duke, and Wake would have football as a secondary sport. they did not want to do anything to change the basketball round robin scheduling and opposed expansion.

Clemson, FSU, VT and to some extent, Georgia Tech, are more akin to SEC programs. Huge fan interest in football, a lot of interest in baseball, and basketball is the third sport. Miami is right in there with that mix but doesn't have the "southern culture" accoutrements as attachments.

Go to an SEC football game or a Clemson or FSU game...not a lot of difference. Same guys screaming while wearing B-B-Que stained T shirts stretched too tightly over a beer gut.

Go to a North Carolina football game where they break the wine and cheese out of picnic baskets and dress up to go to the game and you think that you are in the Ivy League..big cultural differences.

On an aside...have you noticed that the Big East can't seem to put up a decent baseball team? Great basketball, some very good football, and nada baseball.

[shockball]

What's the over/under on how much longer billybob stays? He's becoming tiresome...

Independance Day.

[CharlieHog]

Clemson, FSU, VT and to some extent, Georgia Tech, are more akin to SEC programs. Huge fan interest in football, a lot of interest in baseball, and basketball is the third sport. Miami is right in there with that mix but doesn't have the "southern culture" accoutrements as attachments.

Even though SEC fans love baseball, there is no question that basketball is 2nd sport (or first in the case of Kentucky...and maybe Vanderbilt). The only place that puts baseball ahead of basketball is probably LSU.

[billybud]

Georgia, South Carolina, Bama, Auburn, Mississippi, Tennessee, etc aren't much of a basketball school. Of course Kentucky has been one for our lifetimes.

That changes with success...Florida wasn't a basketball school until very lately and LSU really came on with Shaq.

[billybud]

The SEC has had success in basketball. Not too far from the ACc in success.

You go back for the last 25 seasons and you have, as teams from the SEC making the final four,...Kentucky, Florida, LSU, Arkansas, Miss. St....

Those have been the SEC teams that have gone deep (11 appearances total).

For the ACC, in same period, there is Virginia, Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Georgia Tech.

The primary difference being in the frequency that North Carolina and Duke make the final four. Those two teams combined for 18 appearances. Maryland and Georgia Tech each contributed a couple and Virginia went once.

The SEC has had five NC's...the ACC has had six in the last 25 seasons.

[ABC]

I don't think that a non BCS school located west of the Mississippi has made the final four in since UNLV in 1991.

In fact, it is a rare occurance for a non BCS school located west of the Misssissippi to break into the final four...it's been 17 years since UNLV.

UNLV in 90 and 91...Houston twice in the mid 80's.

Utah.

[William]

You know I just figured this out...... Billybud owns you guys, argument after argument, point after point, this is like Tiger at torrey pines.

Givem' Hell Billy

[t7017s]

I like what Billybud contributes to this board for the most part and am glad hes here contributing solid "discussion". Now I disagree about WSU or FSU being "mid tier" in baseball. I think both are top shelf all the way no question about it. I also think Billybud has been quite civil. I think there are several here on the board that just don't like the presence of outsiders. I think its great we got people like charliehog and a few others that contribute regularly. I certainly hope Billybud sticks around.

[lostshocker]

I also think Billybud has been quite civil.

backhanded compliments will usually give that appearance.

[SpanglerFan316]

You know I just figured this out...... Billybud owns you guys, argument after argument, point after point, this is like Tiger at torrey pines.

Givem' Hell Billy

I was going to reply, William, but I decided it wasn't worth the effort. ;-)