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I found this article looking through some of the post season comments from the FSU team. This is a blatant attempt to discredit WSU baseball program. If Mike Martin is too much of a wuss to come out to home plate in "protest" of what he perceived to be a bad play, he should have sacked up and stated it after the game. I have been tolerant of FSU fan about their respect for our program, but based on this article I found, it was opviously not sincere and now I hope they get their a**es handed to them in Omaha.
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June 8, 2008
Ira Schoffel, Osceola
Warchant.com Staff
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Wichita State drew first blood. And that was their first mistake.
If the Florida State baseball team was fueled this season by the desire to return to the College World Series, the spark that got the Seminoles going in the NCAA Super Regional was shortstop Tony Delmonico's leg injury in Friday's opening game.
Delmonico was hurt during a collision in the first inning and remained in the game despite sustaining a sprained ankle and a laceration that required eight stitches. Delmonico missed the final two contests, but FSU's coaches and players said Sunday that they were angered by what they believed to be a malicious slide.
Gene Williams - Warchant.com
After the first two games, the FSU players and coaches played down the play that injured Tony Delmonico. That wasn't the case after the series ended.
"Tony's injury had a lot to do with the emotion that we played with," longtime assistant coach Jamey Shouppe said after the Seminoles' 11-4 victory in the deciding game three Sunday. "Every other guy that wore that uniform, that had the opportunity to put it on the next day, didn't forget what happened to Tony Delmonico. There was a lot of built-up frustration because it was a shot at one of our guys, plain and simple. And it was outside the rules of the game."
On the play in question, Delmonico was forced to come off of second base to catch a toss from second baseman Jason Stidham. But instead of sliding into the base, FSU's coaches and players believed that Wichita State outfielder Ryan Jones intentionally barreled into Delmonico's lower body.
"It's one of your boys, and he went out on a bad slide," FSU assistant coach Mike Martin Jr. said. "The rulebook in college clearly states you can't do that. That was something that really stuck with our guys. The guy couldn't even compete with his team."
Added Shouppe: "He was lucky. The guy didn't slide. The guy dove into his legs."'
Following that opening game, Florida State's players competed with unbridled passion. When freshman center-fielder Tyler Holt scored in the first inning Saturday, he stomped through home plate as if it was the bottom of the ninth inning instead of the top of the first.
"I think that rallied us," Shouppe said of Delmonico's injury. "Shoot, I know it did. From the time Tyler Holt hit the plate in the second game to score the first run, to today when we ended the ballgame. Our guys weren't going to be satisfied until they had their revenge for somebody else that couldn't put on the uniform."
It was somehow fitting that second baseman Tommy Oravetz, who likely wouldn't have played any infield if not for Delmonico's injury, was a huge factor for the Seminoles all weekend.
In Saturday's 14-4 victory, he went 3-for-5 and scored three runs. On Sunday, he helped the Seminoles open a 6-0 lead in the first inning with a three-run double. He also recorded the game's final three outs on defense. He caught a pop fly and fielded two ground balls.
And revenge was theirs.
"The mindset was, 'This is it. We're gonna get it done,'" Martin Jr. said. "They just wouldn't be denied."
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That's a bunch of BS.
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Sigh.
They should look at the replay, then tell us he "dove". What was he supposed to do, start his slide 10 yards from the base?
And the fact Jones was immediately trying to call time and was the first to check on Delmonico surely proves it was a dirty play.Comment
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What a bunch of cry babies :cry: ...their guy made a bad throw and put the SS in danger. Sounds like they want to make him feel better about himself and say it was WSU's fault. Our guy clearly was sliding to the base. If you want a malicious slide, look at game 2 when their guy slide well past home plate and kicked our catcher...
The more I read their board and the more I read articles like that, it makes me hope they don't win another game this season.Comment
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What's driving me nuts about this situation, is that the Noles (and their media) won't drop it, but then act as the Shox are the ones keeping this issue afloat.
As many on here have said, if the second baseman hadn't of thrown a dud to Delmonico, he wouldn't have been in the basepath that rightfully belonged to Jones.
Jones had every right to that piece of ground.Comment
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Some people shouldnt be allowed to reproduce, for fear of passing on the idiot gene.
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By chance, does anyone know of a video link to the two, game one slides, or even just the first of the two for that matter? I was only able to listen to the game due to work, and I have yet to see a video of either slide.
I do know one thing is 100% certain, and that is the game two slide into Weber at home was blatant and obvious. I don't know how a FSU fan could spin that one otherwise. It's OK though, you know since we earned it and all.
Oh well, FSU will probably go 2-and-BBQ in the CWS and continue to look up to lil' ol' mid-major WSU and our national championship, championship game appearances, facilities, field lighting, and fan attendance... oh and our bus rides, since we can't charter planes and all, apparently.Comment
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No biggie
Of course they're wrong from an objective standpoint, but really, what do you expect?
This wasn't a courtroom where a jury was being presented the facts to make a decision after thoughtful deliberation; it was a field of athletic competition where emotion reigns supreme and teammates band together. It's hard to imagine any team not getting fired up by a play that injures a teammate, even if cooler heads would find it to have been clean. Similarly, although I'm not greatly impressed with Mike Martin, who strikes me as petty, I can't imagine any coach not using something like this as a motivational tool, especially when his team has no margin for error left.
The real problem for WSU wasn't that Florida State got all fired up; it was that Shafer pitched well below his historic standards and Capra was awful, taking several steps down from even the mediocre performances he's been turning in lately. Meanwhile, after the first inning of game two the Shockers' offense fell back into the doldrums that threatened for a while to derail their season.
WSU simply didn't play well enough to win, and they didn't -- not because of emotion, but because of poor play between the white lines: bad pitching from guys who can do better, and quite a few poor, impatient at bats against pitchers who are okay but whom the Shocks made look pretty good. You'd think that the Shocker hitters might have watched FSU take the pitches outside the zone, swing at the good ones, and try that approach themselves, but far too many of them didn't pick up the lesson.
As for the FSU fans, what the hell -- there's a difference between enthusiasm and knowledge. We've seen some pretty solid posts on here from Noles who obviously are knowledgeable and levelheaded, and we saw some foolishness at the ball park. But to be perfectly honest, if the games had been here and roles had been reversed on the Delmonico plays, with Coleman being on the receiving end of a hard slide, there would have been plenty of boos at the Eck for whoever went into him, too. I think Gene is smarter than Mike Martin and would likely have pulled one of his guys who got hit that way, thus preempting the follow-up activity, but I'd be willing to bet that he'd use such a situation as a motivational tool as well.Comment
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The first slide was 100% legal, the second one was questionable, but not as questionable as the slide into home from FSU.Comment
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Go Stanford kick there ass.First a Baseball fan then a Volleyball fan and then I guess I follow the basketball team.Comment
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Will this issue ever die? Geesh, both sides think this is on par with the 'grassy nole' conspiracy. Our season is over, move on people!
FSU fans, go ***** about your own internal issues like 24 football players being suspended for academic fraud in this year's bowl game.
An FSU football being arrested for weed and a firearm in his car and many so-on and so-forth.
You still won't win the CWS this year, and you'll probably blame that on WSU too. Get over it and learn how the game is played.Comment
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When you arrest a football, do you have to give a Miranda warning?Originally posted by KC ShoxSome posts are not visible to me. :peaceful:
Don't worry too much about it. Just do all you can do and let the rough end drag.Comment
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